It was. It really, truly was. Hopefully by Beyond they've split up.
Hate for the new Trek and the Future of Trek
- Thread starter KHAAAN!
- Start date
T'Girl: You have been asked, at least twice, to stop putting graphics at the bottom of every post (sometimes a cross, sometimes a dot). The most recent request is here: Did Janeway Kill Tuvix? from T'Bonz.
Please stop doing it.
Thanks
This, at least in my experience, is partially true. Around the INternet there is certain condemnation on Abrams for his preference to Star Wars as a kid, leading to gross exaggeration of his being "anti-Star Trek." Add in the fact that he did end up getting to direct the newest Star Wars film, adds fuel to the fire that Star Trek was just a stopping off point for him, and he didn't really care.
All that said, while I see the rivalry between Star Wars and Star Trek, to me it is far more of a trumped up and exaggerated dichotomy rather than a true animosity, for the most part. I think that it is built up because rivalry sounds cooler than everyone getting along, and the constant comparisons between the two don't help, because they involve two different approaches to a genre.
In my Star Wars fan group that I was a part of in college there was no animosity towards Trek. Heck, we would costume Star Wars one day at a convention and Star Trek the next. Like I said, it's a false dichotomy in that there is an expectation that you must chose one or the other.
^ This.
The general audience isn't going to care what universe its set in. So why not keep things consistent? Why not keep the fan base together? The problem wasn't with the Star Trek universe, or the continuity, or cannnnnnon. The problem was that they had previously chosen some crappy stories to tell. Tell a good story (or something actiony I guess) and people will plant their butts in the theater.
It doesn't matter one bit whether the director was ever a fan of this particular franchise or any other franchise. Competent storytelling is much more important, and has nothing to do with being part of a particular fandom.
Robert Wise and Nicholas Meyer were not fans of Star Trek, and they made the most memorable films in Trek history!
Kor
Robert Wise and Nicholas Meyer were not fans of Star Trek, and they made the most memorable films in Trek history!
Kor
That's certainly debatable.
I would argue Leonard Nimoy and Jonathan Frakes made the most memorable films in Trek history (JMHO, of course).
And Stuart Baird didn't know jack shit about Star Trek, and made one of the worst movies in the franchise.
Ultimately (again) it comes down to personal preference, rather than objective reality.
Concerning the Star Trek movies, where does Harve Bennett fit in all the glory?
I am.
The ones I met a few years ago at comic con san deigo were nice, especially the day I was in my slave Leia costume.
TSFS is the one that holds up best after all the years.
Heh. So are you saying you would boycott a Primeverse movie? Or are you saying you'd still pony up, but would actually watch the other movies 50 times before going to seeing it? The latter seems a bit OCD. Has a Star Trek fan ever successfully not seen a Star Trek movie? Resistance is futile.
I don't care what he liked as a kid, but the fact is that his Star Wars film is way better than either of his Trek films. He seemed to have a respect for Star Wars in a way he didn't have for Star Trek. Of course liking or having a personal connection to a franchise doesn't necessarily guarantee good results, after all, George Lucas managed to make the prequel trilogy.
You seem have been member of this board from 2004, so I'd assume you were interested in Star Trek before the 2009 film. Why, if it was such a snoozefest?
So you don't think that 'Force Awakens' was a better film than either of Abrams' Star Trek films?
I managed to avoid seeing "Nemesis" for a number of years. But I finally bit the bullet when I spotted the DVD somewhere for a couple bucks.
Kor
I like The Force Awakens (I already own it on Blu-ray). But let's face it, it is simply a remake of A New Hope in almost every way. I'd rather watch his Trek movies.
The plot is pretty similar, this is true, but then again, 'Into Darkness' is a remake of 'The Wrath of Khan', except unlike FA, (IMHO) it is a bad remake.
I loved Star Wars as a kid, and 'Force Awakens' really felt like returning to that same world. It was great to see the old characters again, but still give the centre stage to the new characters. It felt much more like the Star Wars I loved as a kid than the prequel trilogy ever did. The prequels had some Star Wars elements, but ultimately were hollow video game trailers. JJ Trek didn't feel like Star Trek to me; to me it is like the Star Wars prequel trilogies. This is all just my personal take on things, and I don't think that anyone who disagrees with me is somehow 'wrong.' This is just how these things felt to me.
However, which is not a mere opinion, is that with Star Wars Abrams went to great lengths to preserve the continuity, the look and the feel of the old films. He even brought back the old actors. With Star Trek his approach was very different. Whether you think this was good or bad thing, is of course again a matter of opinion.
Well, Into Darkness isn't a remake of The Wrath of Khan, it lifts about four minutes of material from it. But there's no arguing with people who believe otherwise...
The Abrams Star Trek movies were a reboot, the whole purpose was to bring back Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise. Quite a different goal than what he had with The Force Awakens, which was to continue the story. But, anyone who sat down and watched the behind-the-scenes material from the first movie would know the love and affection that was put into these movies. Abrams consulted openly with Nimoy, Takei, Nichols and Koenig about these movies.
People will believe what they want, but what they believe doesn't match the truth of the situation.
I think it is about as much remake of TWOK as FA is remake of 'The New Hope'. Which is to say that neither really is a remake, but they borrow heavily from the older film.
Indeed, the goals were different, but someone chose those goals (whether it was Abrams personally, doesn't really matter.) I was merely saying that I would have appreciated similar approach to Star Trek than was taken to Star Wars with FA.
Similar threads
- Locked
