Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7
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I just assumed they used slaves for that kind of work. Unless I'm misremembering, Vaes Dothrak isn't just a load of tents and captured statues, it's an actual city with permanent buildings and at least some kind of infrastructure. So forges don't seem to be an unreasonable expectation, especially if they shoe their horses. They do have a *lot* of horses after all.
Rewatched the episode, and noticed that when the Maesters are making fun of prophecies, they mention as an example of a "silly" prophecy that the "Drowned God would rise up and destroy Aegon the Conqueror."
Presumably that prophecy originally didn't use actual names, people probably just assumed that it referred to Aegon because he was the conqueror at the time, but if it were applied to Euron(Drowned God) destroying Daenerys' Fleet(the Conqueror) it actually came true.
Tricksy those prophecies...
Presumably that prophecy originally didn't use actual names, people probably just assumed that it referred to Aegon because he was the conqueror at the time, but if it were applied to Euron(Drowned God) destroying Daenerys' Fleet(the Conqueror) it actually came true.
Tricksy those prophecies...
Maybe it's a little convoluted but perhaps Arya wanted him to think he successfully baited her and she's leaving her faceless ability as her ace in the hole. No one (er...) knows about that ability and she'll keep it close to her vest.
^^^ That occurred to me too. I really hope Arya knows what she's doing and I hope even more that she can best him. Someone needs to - he's going to be causing everyone a lot of problems before long - he was discussing something with the two lords of the Vale before that. Sansa and Jon could conceivably lose a large chunk of their army if Littlefinger pops smoke and disappears with them. It also appears as if he's setting up something for Jon's return, although he seems to be the only one right now, other than Bran, who knows of Jon's true parentage. Not sure how all that's going to play out yet.
On the subject of the army of the Vale, do we know where Robyn Arryn is? Presumably he's still in the Vale? If so, who is guarding him? Is there a token force there or has most of the army returned, with Lord Royce retaining only a few soldiers? I imagine that the Vale is officially one of Cersei's enemies, having declared for the King in the North and against her Warden of the North, Ramsay?
In the books at this stage, winter had rendered the Vale uninhabitable and the residents, including Littlefinger and Sansa, then masquerading as his daughter, all moved out.
In the books at this stage, winter had rendered the Vale uninhabitable and the residents, including Littlefinger and Sansa, then masquerading as his daughter, all moved out.
They didn't leave the Vale, just the Eyrie, which is high up on the mountain and moved down in the valley for the Winter.
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That Westeros nobility genealogy is sure like a minefield.. people who have never seen each other are related somehow and it makes it into a big ewww moment when Dany and Jon start eyeing each other. It's pretty much given that their family connection will be discovered and will play a big role so i'll be sitting here with a smile on my face watching the reactions of all the Dany/Jon shippers who haven't yet realized what's about to happen
With Targaryens it's sort of family tradition to marry within the family but real world morality makes me wonder if HBO and the writers will still go there (they've broken other taboos in the show).. it's ok for the villains, i.e. the Lannisters, to be shown as amoral and depraved people but not the main heroes of the show.
I absolutely loved that little scene with Sam and Gilly where she makes, unknowingly, one of the most important and far reaching discoveries of the entire show and Sam just barrels over it without realizing the implications (but then how would he because he's missing a key piece of information.. that Jon is Lyanna's and Rhaegar's son), however it would still make an interesting footnote for Westeros history buffs.. "Huh.. so they loved each other and he didn't rape her"
That one will blow up like a mother when it's discovered (stll my money is on Bran making one of his history time travels).
Of course, my bad.
Though it has not been mentioned in the show, Shireen Baratheon was Samwell Tarly's second cousin. Sam's mother (Melessa Florent) and Shireen's mother (Selyse Florent) were first cousins.
And, of course, Jon had no idea that that Maester Aemon was his great-great uncle (3 x great in the books).
And, of course, Jon had no idea that that Maester Aemon was his great-great uncle (3 x great in the books).
Somebody mentioned upthread that this episode seemed like the end of a Season arc. It does seem like some of the arcs, the journey through the wall and Sam's leaving, will be how far The Winds of Winter take those character arcs.
We'll find out next year*!
*(may roll over into the year after that**)
**(or the one after that one***)
***(you get the idea...)
I wonder if the show forging ahead is going to hurt the book sales, essentially spoiling the future for the readers. I suspect it will be more about reading the books to get a sense of the journey, rather than how things end up.
Dany being Jon's aunt will mean diddly squat if David and Dan are headed towards pairing them up:
1) Incestual pairings are a Targaryen family institution, even in the face of the Faith of the Seven and its precepts
2) Marriage between non-immediate family members (i.e. aunts/nephews/uncles/nieces/cousins) is not actually considered incestuous by the Faith of the Seven or by Westerosi society in general
1) Incestual pairings are a Targaryen family institution, even in the face of the Faith of the Seven and its precepts
2) Marriage between non-immediate family members (i.e. aunts/nephews/uncles/nieces/cousins) is not actually considered incestuous by the Faith of the Seven or by Westerosi society in general
Well, I think those who are invested in the books already will read the new books as well.
While the show will spoil the end points of some of the characters, the directions for other characters may turn out very differently because either they haven't died in the books like they did in the show or their current trajectory is vastly different from that of the show. Plus, there's at least two whole storylines omitted, one vastly different, and several others that are going in very different directions because of character mergers. I'd go in more detail but I want to avoid book spoilers (and I'm on my phone).
That's fine for in the series universe, but as already pointed out, the showrunners may not want to put two very popular characters into an incestuous relationship because of real life morales.
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The Winds of Winter are pretty much guaranteed to fly of the shelves, especially if the book comes out near the final season. Even if some plot points are already known many will still want to find out how the book differs from the show.
As for A Dream of Spring, if it comes out in a reasonable timeframe it will do just as great, but if it takes another 8+ years after the show is over and out of the cultural zeitgeist, it probably won't do as well, but that won't really be the show's fault...
And at that point, it won't even matter.
Two things:
One, does Jon's parentage mean anything to anyone else other than Jon. The info about the annulment won't say "but the kid was stolen and renamed Jon" and no one is going to back up the boy in he wheel chair's dreams. There's really no one alive that could back up Jon's claim to the throne.
Two, what good will come from capturing a zombie unless it was alive? I didn't see them take a cage or something to put it in and if they bring it back dead, it's just some dead guy. Not to mention, bringing it back alive(ish) seems impossible.
One, does Jon's parentage mean anything to anyone else other than Jon. The info about the annulment won't say "but the kid was stolen and renamed Jon" and no one is going to back up the boy in he wheel chair's dreams. There's really no one alive that could back up Jon's claim to the throne.
Two, what good will come from capturing a zombie unless it was alive? I didn't see them take a cage or something to put it in and if they bring it back dead, it's just some dead guy. Not to mention, bringing it back alive(ish) seems impossible.
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