"I Cannot Tell a Lie Cherry Pie"
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"Jesus, are you listening?"
"Eggs Benedict Arnold"
"Jesus, are you listening?"
FOX: Sleepy Hollow - Season Discussion
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"I Cannot Tell a Lie Cherry Pie"
"Eggs Benedict Arnold"
"Jesus, are you listening?"
After seeing Ben Franklin's over-sized head on the prop:
"Well, at least they got that right."
Loved the supernatural twist on "whites of their eyes." I'm reserving any opinion on Betsy Ross until we see more of her. The rest of the show seems to have returned in fine form.
When Pandora first appeared, Shannyn Sossamon's performance reminded me of Alice Krige in Ghost Story, but that impression vanished as the episode progressed.
Season premieres can be problematic since they can end up being all about "housekeeping": dealing with loose ends and fallout from the previous season, addressing cast changes ("I still can't believe Margo moved to France!"), laying the groundwork for the new season's big story arcs, etc.
The second episode often gives you a better idea of how the new season is shaping up.
The second episode often gives you a better idea of how the new season is shaping up.
Did Tom Mison look leaner than usual? I wonder if he lost some weight. Meanwhile, I dig Agent Mills' new hairstyle.
"Don't fire until you've seen the whites of its eyes." Interesting creature, the mogwai, or whatever it was called. I see how the supernatural element can still exist even without the Headless Horseman around. Shannon Sossamon's Pandora character looks like a sinister force to be reckoned with.
It's the short hair; it makes his thin face more pronounced. Abbie's short hair, however, suits her better and makes more sense for her character. Crane and Jenny make a good team, but I kinda miss Capt. Irving, though.
Not sure about Pandora. Her dialogue is so "Muwhahaha"-Evil-Cheesefest that I have a hard time not cringing.
We'll see. But maybe that shows that TV has become too dependent on big seasonal plot arcs. Surely it's better to start out laying the foundations of character and relationships and emotion that are what make a show worth watching in the first place, and then ease into the story arc as the season goes on. We're so obsessed these days with big elaborate plots that it often comes at the expense of character and theme.
The pilot episode of Sleepy Hollow certainly laid a lot of pipe for the arc, but it was also very much about the characters and their feelings. The plot served the characters and their relationships, rather than the other way around. Ichabod being awakened in the present brought him and Abbie together and laid the foundation for their partnership, as well as giving him an emotionally-driven quest to find Katrina. Andy's turn to evil was motivated by his unrequited love for Abbie. The Horseman's murder of Sheriff Corbin gave Abbie a tragedy to motivate her. We cared when Corbin was killed. Did anyone in the audience care in the slightest when the random fear demon killed C. Thomas Howell's FBI guy?
After seeing Ben Franklin's over-sized head on the prop:
"Well, at least they got that right."
Plus it was a giant bobble-head.
Oh, definitely. But it is a trap that season premieres can fall into these days--and has been for awhile.
(I remember noting the same thing with BUFFY and THE 4400, among others.)
I have heard that we might be getting flashbacks to what Icahbod and Abbie were doing over the past nine month. I sincerely hope so, especially in Ichabod's case.
Yes, the second they had their first scene together I had a huge grin on my face, those two have possibly the best chemistry together I have seen in years.
This was great.
Pandora seems like an interesting villain, I'm very curious to see exactly what she's up to. I was little disappointed that she was able to capture Abraham so quickly, but hopefully the fact that she has him in her box means she can unleash him later under her control.
The Yaoguai was a cool monster, and I got a big kick of the whole "whites of their eyes" thing. Sure it wasn't some big "mystery" that needed to be solved, but it was still a lot of fun, and a nice way to work in their usual history stuff.
We did see much of her yet, but I liked what saw of sexy Betsy Ross. I really hope they eventually find a way to pull her into the present, because I could see her being a fun addition to the team, and it would give Ichabod a new person to share his confusion about the present with.
Pandora seems like an interesting villain, I'm very curious to see exactly what she's up to. I was little disappointed that she was able to capture Abraham so quickly, but hopefully the fact that she has him in her box means she can unleash him later under her control.
The Yaoguai was a cool monster, and I got a big kick of the whole "whites of their eyes" thing. Sure it wasn't some big "mystery" that needed to be solved, but it was still a lot of fun, and a nice way to work in their usual history stuff.
We did see much of her yet, but I liked what saw of sexy Betsy Ross. I really hope they eventually find a way to pull her into the present, because I could see her being a fun addition to the team, and it would give Ichabod a new person to share his confusion about the present with.
I liked what I saw well enough; it's when she started talking that I became unimpressed. Well, she's done one impressive thing: she's made Katia Winter seem interesting by comparison.
I'd say that's inevitable. She is a main-titles regular, after all.
And it's interesting that of the five people credited in the main titles this week, only one was male. Although I gather a couple more male characters are going to be added as regulars.
you're overthinking it. this is a show that had Thomas Jefferson show up as a hologram. demons fighting in the American Revolution. accuracy and reality have went completely out the window.
repeat to yourself, its just a show, i should really just relax.
That much is obvious, thank you. That's not the point. Obviously the show has lots of silly ideas. I'm not saying it shouldn't. I'm saying this specific one did not work for me. If I complain about getting an undercooked hamburger at a restaurant, that does not call for a defense of the entire concept of sandwiches. That would be a useless and completely incongruous response, because it's not about the general phenomenon, it's about the execution of that specific instance.
There is good stupid and there is bad stupid. A lot of this show's past ideas have been inspired in their sheer lunacy. This was just labored and awkward, like it was trying too hard to take some famous bit of American lore and insert something demonic into it. It felt like a new showrunner trying to imitate the tropes that their predecessors established but not doing it with anywhere near the same flair and inspiration. And I had that same feeling about a lot of things in the episode.
I have to admit that I was a bit underwhelmed, maybe because I was looking forward to it so much. It was definitely great to see Abbie and Ichabod again. Jenny, too; I didn't like her at first, but I've gotten used to her. And the door is still open for Irving's return.
I'm glad they're still connecting things to the Revolutionary War, from the Founding Father-themed restaurant to super-spy Betsy Ross. I got a kick out of Crane's comment about the bobble-headed Ben Franklin: "At least they got one thing right."
And, of course, the supernatural twist on "Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes."
I'm not sure if I missed something or not. Abbie said the archive room was scheduled for destruction, but then they were just unpacking as if they were moving back in. Was there some resolution, or is this still looming ominously ahead? I hope they make it part of the plot. A story about the preservation of a historic building would be perfect for this show.
I'm glad they're still connecting things to the Revolutionary War, from the Founding Father-themed restaurant to super-spy Betsy Ross. I got a kick out of Crane's comment about the bobble-headed Ben Franklin: "At least they got one thing right."
And, of course, the supernatural twist on "Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes."
I'm not sure if I missed something or not. Abbie said the archive room was scheduled for destruction, but then they were just unpacking as if they were moving back in. Was there some resolution, or is this still looming ominously ahead? I hope they make it part of the plot. A story about the preservation of a historic building would be perfect for this show.
Good point. I hope we do get those flashbacks.
That would be cool, but difficult to pull off. Unlike Ichabod, Ross is a real person and we know where and when she died.
You said that the line couldn't have originated with the Battle of Bunker Hill because it existed earlier - and records do indicate a near identical phrase to 1743, but similar phrases to two centuries earlier.
I think the episode gave us enough evidence that it wasn't a new instruction - if battlefield demons have been around for centuries, then the instructions on how to kill them would also have been around for that length of time. Washington didn't pluck the instruction for defeat out of thin air - he may have learned it, for example, from Lieutenant Colonel Agnew who reportedly uttered the phrase in 1743.
As to the tortured grammar of the phrase - as the episode itself even jokes, 'that is how they spaketh in days of yore'
It just made me groan.
Ask and ye shall receive...season three premiere hits series low - http://tvline.com/2015/10/02/sleepy-hollow-season-3-ratings-premiere/
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