FOX: Sleepy Hollow - Season Discussion
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Keeping this show on a short leash when it comes back. Too many quality genre shows to pick from out there.
I'm trying to be positive but I have niggling feeling in the back of my mind that season 3 is going to make people look back on season 2 bit more positively.
As long as Abby and Ichabod are there, I'll be there.
Did Tom Mison look leaner than usual? I wonder if he lost some weight. Meanwhile, I dig Agent Mills' new hairstyle. 
"Don't fire until you've seen the whites of its eyes." Interesting creature, the mogwai, or whatever it was called. I see how the supernatural element can still exist even without the Headless Horseman around. Shannon Sossamon's Pandora character looks like a sinister force to be reckoned with.
"Don't fire until you've seen the whites of its eyes." Interesting creature, the mogwai, or whatever it was called. I see how the supernatural element can still exist even without the Headless Horseman around. Shannon Sossamon's Pandora character looks like a sinister force to be reckoned with.
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Pandora has the seven deadly sins at her command - they're our new Horsemen. Fear was said to be the root of all sin - the seven deadly sins have their root in it, so by unleashing fear she has unlocked the reveal of the seven deadly sins.
Perhaps Hope will come in Betsy being brought forward to the present. Because, otherwise, her ability to interact with the storyline seems remarkably limited.
Pandora has the seven deadly sins at her command - they're our new Horsemen. Fear was said to be the root of all sin - the seven deadly sins have their root in it, so by unleashing fear she has unlocked the reveal of the seven deadly sins.
Perhaps Hope will come in Betsy being brought forward to the present. Because, otherwise, her ability to interact with the storyline seems remarkably limited.
This just screamed "soft reboot." Last season ended with the core foursome reunited and standing together; now suddenly we learn they all went their separate ways and are only grudgingly coming back together, with Irving gone for good. That's kind of an awkward transition. And the episode was so much about setting up the new status quo that it's hard to get a sense of what the season will be like.
But while the core cast was still fun to watch, the episode felt like it was going through the motions. The Horseman was swept aside very cursorily. Abbie was given a new grizzled mentor figure to suffer a predictable, telegraphed death at the hands of a demon, like Sheriff Corbin 2.0, but we didn't see any emotional aftermath to the event, any reaction from Abbie once the scene was over. Crane and Abbie cursorily reasserted their friendship, but the sense of deep warmth and connection between them wasn't as strong. Crane was given a new Colonial-era love interest in Betsy Ross, but without the depth of feeling and need he had for Katrina -- and so far, the actress, Nikki Reed, is even less interesting than Katia Winter was. And Jenny was just there to help out and make wisecracks. Before, it was the depth of feeling behind the characters and their relationships, the underlying passion, that made the show engaging and grounded its insanely silly plotlines. There didn't seem to be any passion here.
Also, how is it that an experienced demon-hunter and FBI agent like Abbie can run into a woman named Pandora, who's into ancient history and lore and who's just arrived in Sleepy Hollow at the same time a new evil descends upon the town, and not immediately suspect that it's the Pandora? That's just dropping the ball.
But while the core cast was still fun to watch, the episode felt like it was going through the motions. The Horseman was swept aside very cursorily. Abbie was given a new grizzled mentor figure to suffer a predictable, telegraphed death at the hands of a demon, like Sheriff Corbin 2.0, but we didn't see any emotional aftermath to the event, any reaction from Abbie once the scene was over. Crane and Abbie cursorily reasserted their friendship, but the sense of deep warmth and connection between them wasn't as strong. Crane was given a new Colonial-era love interest in Betsy Ross, but without the depth of feeling and need he had for Katrina -- and so far, the actress, Nikki Reed, is even less interesting than Katia Winter was. And Jenny was just there to help out and make wisecracks. Before, it was the depth of feeling behind the characters and their relationships, the underlying passion, that made the show engaging and grounded its insanely silly plotlines. There didn't seem to be any passion here.
Also, how is it that an experienced demon-hunter and FBI agent like Abbie can run into a woman named Pandora, who's into ancient history and lore and who's just arrived in Sleepy Hollow at the same time a new evil descends upon the town, and not immediately suspect that it's the Pandora? That's just dropping the ball.
I nearly missed this last night!
Betsy Ross is one bad a$$ GWG!
After 2 years of hearing about Katrina and Ichabod's GREAT love, it was disconcerting to see him in a lip lock with someone else in colonial times.
Loved how they repurposed the historical "Whites of their eyes" line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MglBYB-3Hqk
Loved seeing Jenny again and seeing her in action, not just in the back ground.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MglBYB-3Hqk[/yt]
Nice to see Abbie being her usual bad a$$ self, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbnBh7RY7qI
"Yeah, I know him. WHAT? He's where?"
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbnBh7RY7qI[/yt]
And of course, loved seeing Abbie and Ichabod and I totally agree with her. "Agent" just doesn't sound right coming out of his mouth. "Leftenant" IS preferred!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvJC-5zNug
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvJC-5zNug[/yt]
His hair is shorter too, this time around, is it not?
This includes spoilers for the season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWbScfaCkQ
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWbScfaCkQ[/yt]
Betsy Ross is one bad a$$ GWG!
After 2 years of hearing about Katrina and Ichabod's GREAT love, it was disconcerting to see him in a lip lock with someone else in colonial times.
Loved how they repurposed the historical "Whites of their eyes" line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MglBYB-3Hqk
Loved seeing Jenny again and seeing her in action, not just in the back ground.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MglBYB-3Hqk[/yt]
Nice to see Abbie being her usual bad a$$ self, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbnBh7RY7qI
"Yeah, I know him. WHAT? He's where?"
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbnBh7RY7qI[/yt]
And of course, loved seeing Abbie and Ichabod and I totally agree with her. "Agent" just doesn't sound right coming out of his mouth. "Leftenant" IS preferred!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvJC-5zNug
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvJC-5zNug[/yt]
His hair is shorter too, this time around, is it not?
This includes spoilers for the season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWbScfaCkQ
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEWbScfaCkQ[/yt]
I hated that part. I thought it was stupid. For one thing, the line doesn't need an "explanation," since the meaning is obvious -- don't fire until the enemy is close enough that you can distinguish detail as small as the whites of the eyes. Colonial-era firearms had lousy range and accuracy, so it would be a waste of ammunition to fire when the enemy was farther away. Besides, "the whites of the eyes" is a commonplace term for the sclera, the white part of the human eyeball. It's not some mystery that needs a convoluted explanation, it's an everyday bit of anatomical vocabulary. Nobody would say "until you see the whites of their eyes" to mean "until their eyes turn white." Plus it was contrived to create a monster with a weakness involving the eyes turning white (why would it have that weakness?) merely in order to justify this silly and implausible reinterpretation of a perfectly straightforward line from history.
There's also the fact that it was already a common expression in military usage long before the Battle of Bunker Hill. It was not coined there.
I liked it. I didn't think it was because the line NEEDED repurposing, I thought it just fit in nicely with the show's general tendency to take the familiar colonial/revolutionary lore that we know, and create a new demony context for it. I also didn't think that the demon's weakness was that its eyes turned white, I thought its weakness was when it fed, and its eyes turning white was just an indicator of when that was happening.
^Sure, I get the idea; I just don't think it worked. It was too forced and self-conscious.
Fun episode. I thought Headless was disposed of with unseemly haste, and I hope that's not really the end of his story, but I'm not adverse to taking a break from him for awhile.
And, yeah, I like Betsy Ross, colonial super-spy, and the "whites of their eyes" business. This show is like XENA; I don't think you're supposed to worry overmuch about its historical accuracy.
And, yeah, I like Betsy Ross, colonial super-spy, and the "whites of their eyes" business. This show is like XENA; I don't think you're supposed to worry overmuch about its historical accuracy.
I was VERY happy with it. It felt like old times with Crane and Abbie. The scene with Ichabod at Colonial Times was hilarious. I like the new FBI setting and Pandora was just interesting enough at the end that I'm intrigued. Don't care at all for Sexy Betsy Ross.
I'm FURIOUS though that they had Ichabod return to England and they didn't show us, other than a brief flashback. What the fuck, show? I know the name of this show is Sleepy Hollow but how do you pass up a chance to show Ichabod return to the homeland that he left more than 200 years ago? That could have been amazing. At the very least, how do you pass up on Ichabod's first trip on an airplane?
I'm FURIOUS though that they had Ichabod return to England and they didn't show us, other than a brief flashback. What the fuck, show? I know the name of this show is Sleepy Hollow but how do you pass up a chance to show Ichabod return to the homeland that he left more than 200 years ago? That could have been amazing. At the very least, how do you pass up on Ichabod's first trip on an airplane?
It's not historical accuracy that bothers me so much as linguistic accuracy. "The whites of the eyes" is a commonplace anatomical phrase, as much as "the nape of the neck" or "the back of the hand." It has a specific and well-understood meaning, as a vernacular term for the sclerae, and nobody would use it in that exact, plural form to describe a demon's entire eyes turning white. That would be analogous to using "the back of the hand" to mean the hand being twisted around backward, or something like that.
That fits with what I was saying -- it's going through the motions and the expected tropes, but the character-driven, emotional core isn't in evidence.
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