For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

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  1. David cgc

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    I'll code it, since it's still so quick after the episode dropped.

    Beginning with the end, I saw it coming that an Astronaut and a Cosmonaut would both take the first step together, but I didn't expect it to be unplanned or hilarious. Still, Ed (or was it Gordo?) would be proud from way back when, "If you don't step your Commie ass back in that hatch, I'm gonna come over there and smack you down" are much better first words than the party-approved claptrap about the Marxist-Leninist way of life.

    Good on Ed for being prudent and hitting the abort rockets after nearly smashing into the side of a mountain. Also very stylish storytelling to demonstrate character growth by having a character do the exact same thing at the end(?) of his story he did at the beginning, but have it mean something totally different.

    Wayne's back! Sadly, we only hear about Molly, but it's always a special treat to check back in with the best buddies on the show. I kept wanting him to call the Goo Balls "Goof Balls" for Simpsons reasons.

    I laughed at Karen's stoned message to Ed being five times longer than her call about quitting her job, though I was momentarily concerned we'd see the whole thing.

    It was cute that Russian Matt Smith had a (reciprocated!) crush on Kelly, and I also like that they sped through it in one episode.

    Ed and Danny's card game was one of the tensest scenes I've seen on TV for a long time. Even more than the landings. I don't viscerally hate the extreme awkwardness and cringe intrinsic to this plotline the way most people do, and I've got a lot of enthusiasm for its current form from the show's lineage and knowing it comes from a long line of shows that knew how to do amazing pay-offs to these sorts of slow-burn bomb-under-the-table stories. However, I think Nick is kind of a dipshit for not mentioning it to the skipper that Danny very unsubtly pumped him for information and immediately left as soon as he got a piece of information that would let him take over the ship. Unless he did off-screen and Ed is also playing mind-games with Danny, Nick did look like he noticed that exchange was odd, and slipping groundwork for a critical future development into an off-hand background moment is also something that this show and its ancestors have done.

    I'm starting to think Margo might actually pull off some political jiu-jitsu maneuver to turn the KGB's machinations back on itself. She does seem well-motivated, but the question is, how will this dovetail with Aleida's need to find NASA's leak?
     
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  2. The Nth Doctor

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    In the same spirit of fairness, I'll also code.

    Now that's how you do space race.

    Even though I don't think anyone wanted Helios to win after the shit Dev pulled, it still felt too close to call before Ed made the gut-wrenching decision to abort. I'm very happy the joint American-Soviet mission managed to land first...but, fuck, I wish Grigory hadn't fucked up the unique moment all because he was butt hurt about Dani shutting him down when she made her initial decision to hold back the launch. Question is will the public know immediately, or ever, that the joint first step was a moment of derision instead of an inspiring one as reflected upon by the reporter?

    But that might not matter because their tentative relationship is on tenterhooks because Aleida is no fool. She saw the photos and was immediately suspicious, which were only deepened by math and old memorized figures. What's going to break my heart is she will keep pursuing this line of thread right up to the point she discovers the truth that it was Margo. It's going to crush her. Regardless whatever political maneuvering Margo may or may not achieve for Sergei, and by extension, save her own ass, I greatly suspect that Aleida would never be able to forgive Margo, even for the spirit of science that Margo had intended.

    Ellen might be loving this moment of cooperation and think there's only going forward, but between Margo's actions and the tensions between Dani and Grigory, there's nothing safe about this peace. No matter how much I want it to stabilize.

    Outside of the Mars mission, I have to give credit where credit is due. I've rarely liked Karen as a character but I greatly appreciated how she didn't even hesitate to resign after Ed managed to regain control of Phoenix. I also love that her friendship with Wayne remains strong and that she lets him push her around philosophically, even if it was the weed kicking in early. While I'm sad we didn't get an appearance from Molly during that scene, it worked better to focus just on the friendship between Karen and Wayne.

    But now I have address the Danny in the room. UGH. The guy keeps getting creepier by the minute, silently raging as he eavesdrops on Karen's messages to Ed, and I just know he's going to turn against Ed after Ed made the sound call to abort. I just wonder if he's going to be really stupid and let slip that it was him who slept with Karen. Then everything about Helios will be a complete and utter shit show. At this point, I just want to forget about that whole thing, get Bill the hell out of there, and just focus on the joint American-Soviet mission. Because there's nothing worth watching on the Phoenix.

    Yeeeeaaahhhh...that really bugged the hell out of me, too, and I don't think the situation is as complicated as we both hope. I think Nick just really fucked up and didn't even realize it other than it being an odd interaction.
     
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  3. Kraig

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    I think Helios should have found any clear place to land on Mars using visual means, when they first arrived in orbit. That way they could be first to land on Mars. Then return to the ship in "Popeye" and wait for the storm to clear at their desired landing site.
     
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    So it seems it was the older flawed engine design Margo gave the Soviets?
     
  5. FreezeC77

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    I think it was more Margo gave them the engine as it existed in 1992. NASA (Aleida) improved it before they launched in 1994 so the figures no longer matched. Also Margo seems to have stopped any communications with Russia after Sergei disappeared so it's not like she'd give them 'improvements'.

     
  6. 1987SpaceGuy

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    good episode!
    [*]Loved Molly's husband showing up, didn't even mind Karen for once.
    [*]Character growth from Ed aborting the nearly mars mountain crash landing - still think he will heroically bite the dust saving Kelly
    [*] (inspirational) Kelly Baldwin upcoming story arc: will find out she's pregnant, then eventually will birth the first martian as well as finding proof of extra terrestrial life (in the flash forward/next season(s).

    [*]I expected the Russian commander to pull such a move after being told to shut up - hilarious, but fitting in a way. Glad Danielle made it just in time to stumble onto Mars together.

    [*]Creep/Cringe Danny with the master PW, now also professionally angry and not just jealous at Ed: what could go wrong...
    [*]Dev(il) still got some evil master plan I suspect.
    [*]Here's hoping Margo will be able to "rescue" Sergei and family, then coming clean about it to Ellen.
    [*]Aleida isn't going to handle it well for sure and I think she'll do something prior that inadvertently nixes Margo's rescue plans and could be another factor to bring down Ellen if the later isn't assassinated or has to resign because the truth about her private life becomes public knowledge.
    [*]there will be internal cosmonaut drama as well (whatever their plans were/are + the "moon traitor" + Kelly's romantic partner
     
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    Sojouner 1 made a better landing than the aircraft carrying the russins from Roscosmo. Bounce like that can do serious damage to the airframe.

    Think next week we’ll see a rescue mission or Ed pulls off a fuel miracle after such a lower altitude abort

    pity Helios doesn’t have cryo facilities. Danny needs some cooling down (or Ed goes Kovacs on him :) Nasty piece of shit.

     
  9. Airmandan

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    Damn good episode, and I really am getting tired of Danny and all his bullshit.
     
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  10. Aragorn

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    Someone said Ronald Moore's reaction to people hating the Danny storyline is to double down on it. But I can't find any article where he says that. Does that sound like something he'd say?
     
  11. Marc

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    Given the season production was completed before it was released so by the time people as hating Danny it’s too late to make changes.
     
  12. The Knappos

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    As a writer or creator you want your show (or book or movie or song etc) to illicit an emotional reaction. If they’re getting it, it means Danny as a heel is working. It’s a no-brainer to double down on it
     
  13. David cgc

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    One, yes (though, more precisely, he said his instinctive reaction is to double-down, and he resists it), and two, it was in the official podcast for the show. I linked to the exact part of the interview where he talks about it, you can hear it in his own words:
     
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  14. FreezeC77

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    I'm wondering if Danny is gonna take one of the landers solo and end up crashing.
     
  15. The Nth Doctor

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    So say we all!

    I could see either him or Ed doing that after the truth comes out about Karen. Either Danny fleeing for his life or Ed forcibly removing himself in order to not murder the fuck out of Danny.
     
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  16. Airmandan

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    It’s probably going to turn into a incident that Danny causes, he realizes how badly he fucked up and has to sacrifice himself to avert it. It gets covered up and he is portrayed as a hero for the greater good.
     
  17. Reverend

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    Don't give me hope . . .
     
  18. FPAlpha

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    I wonder what the Danny storyline purpose is at all.

    Is he just there so they have any kind of villain out there since the Soviets and Americans get along ( at least some of them and disregarding the KGB)?

    Good on Ed for doing the right thing for a heavy price, i think if he had continued he'd have crashed and killed them both. I also loved how Karen AND Ed put Dev in his place, that's how you deal with such a prick and she exactly called him on it the way we discussed it on this board.

    I'm a bit miffed that the Soviet "betrayed" them, it was a cheap shot and the result will have conspiracy theorists talking forever. officially it will be a PR desaster - no legendary Neil Armstrong level quote, just two fuckups fumbling onto Mars in front of the entire world. Maybe it would have been better if Ed went through with it :lol:

    Now i'm wondering what's going to happen next?`

    Helios will land as soon as the landing site clears and oh yeah, since The Martian and some background checking i know that these "storms" are in effect just a light breeze, because there's so much less athmosphere than on Earth so not much gas to be moved around by the "storm". Now visibility may still be a bitch but no ship or installation on Mars is in danger of being blown away.

    Will Danielle be throwing the Soviet commander into the "brig" - could surely lead to some heavy diplomatic hiccups once their governments learn the story behind the stumble but Aleida for sure won't let go and may connect the dots enough to confront Margo. I just can't see any realistic scenario that Margo can survive this series, at best she can hope Ellen will let her resign with full honors and at the same time keep the Soviets from blowing the lid on the whole thing though she's vulnerable herself too - someone will have to lose big time by the end of the season.

    Also Kelly - WTF woman? Can't keep it in your pants for one mission?
     
  19. CaptainWacky

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    The ending was hilarious.
     
  20. Aragorn

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    New episode is up.