For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

[Reverend]

SUNSHINE influenced ship design for awhile there, I think.

Hardly.
Sunshine, The Martian, Avatar, the Discovery from '2001: A Space Odyssey', even B5's Explorer Class; these designs are simply all drawing from a common source.
The basic configuration has been a feature of theoretical design studies for inter-planetary and interstellar ships since the 60's & 70's: Long central spine with the engines at one end, and the carousel hab as far down the other end as possible, with reactor and water tanks somewhere in-between because: radiation!

I thought about that, too, broadly speaking. I do agree it's a good idea to have an artist on such a mission and maybe Dev ultimately won that argument.

I'd say that they'd do better if they looked more towards multi-disciplined generalists than just all specialists. Given the limited number of spots, giving one up to a person who's one and only function is "be artistic" is a criminal waste. Instead they should look for several candidates that have artistic and STEM aptitude (or just STEAM, I guess!)

(Oh, and my brain went straight to Jodie Foster's line in 'Contact')

 

[David cgc]

I'd say that they'd do better if they looked more towards multi-disciplined generalists more than specialists. Given the limited number of spots, giving one up to a person who's one and only function is "be artistic" is a criminal waste. Instead they should look for several candidates that have artistic and STEM aptitude (or just STEAM, I guess!)

Phoenix has the overhead for it. Dev references a total crew of 15, while Sojourner only had six. We don't know what crew the Soviet ship has, but knowing their, shall we say, affinity for minimalism, it's entirely possible it's a chilled brain and a healthy hope that the super-intelligent aliens living below the Martian surface will be able to clone their cosmonaut a new body and reimplant it.

 

[Tuskin38]

I liked how each Mars ship launched from a different place. Showing each groups approach.

 

[Reverend]

Phoenix has the overhead for it. Dev references a total crew of 15, while Sojourner only had six. We don't know what crew the Soviet ship has, but knowing their, shall we say, affinity for minimalism, it's entirely possible it's a chilled brain and a healthy hope that the super-intelligent aliens living below the Martian surface will be able to clone their cosmonaut a new body and reimplant it.

For a mission like this, I don't think there's such a thing as "overhead" when it comes to crew slots. Or at least, there shouldn't be.
To my way of thinking the more expertise the better; the more skills the better, and two people with a PHD in microbiology with a masters in geology and fine arts respectively, is better than just a microbiologist and a poet.
You don't want a person on a mission like this who's essentially cargo. Once a basic colony infrastructure is established, send all the poets and landscape painters you like! (And I say this as someone that still considers myself an artist.)

 

[FPAlpha]

I'm glad I was right about the impending time jump and there wouldn't be any drama about Ellen becoming president.

...but I really hate what's happened with Margo. I knew this was coming since the season two finale but that didn't make the turn any easier. The KGB crony was right: No matter how Margo justified her actions for purely scientific progress and peace, the FBI would consider her a spy and a traitor. I don't look forward to the truth coming out. Make no mistake, the truth will come out. It's just a matter of when. And when it does, it's going to break Aleida's heart.

Not surprised Karen tried to poach Aleida, nor was I surprised she turned the offer down despite the financial benefits and her husband's complaining. I did like how Aleida kept quiet about her job offer while bidding Bill farewell. She let him have that little victory of self-esteem. I was a little surprised that Kelly aggressively fought for her spot on the NASA mission but it makes sense. More surprising is that Ed actually kept his cool and congratulated her on the move, no matter how disappointed he was. Kudos on him for that.

...but he still has a long way to go. Danny is a complete mess and Ed cannot see it, just like he couldn't with Gordo. Times have changed and Ed doesn't see how alcoholism is a disease and how uncontrollable Danny's toxic behavior will become. On the plus side, with the time jump, we don't have to worry about the awful Danny/Karen thing. Unless we discover that Dev decided it was good to have Karen on the mission. Gods, I hope I'm wrong about that.

The only other surprising thing is I fully expected Molly to get poached, too. I just checked back and Sonya Walger is no longer in the credits. So unless they're now doing the "credit only for episodes she's in" method, I guess that's the last of Molly. Realistically, that makes sense, but damn, I want more Molly!


I thought about that, too, broadly speaking. I do agree it's a good idea to have an artist on such a mission and maybe Dev ultimately won that argument.


I think you're right. She and Aleida are the long-term characters for this show. I'm very curious to see how their stories develop over the decades.

With that in mind, while Aleida is the flight director now, I can't imagine her staying put. Going to just the Moon isn't going to sate her appetite and she'll want to go back out to space again.

The time jump caught me a little by surprise but it is logical storywise - these 2 years are basically just breakneck speed engineering and building, not that interesting to the general audience (only for hardcore engineers and space enthusiasts). It delays some of the personal stories like Danny and Margo but these will surely pick up again .

I don't hate what's happening to Margo - she was always a bit naive when it came to real world issues. She's an engineer in soul and heart and just wants to advance the science and knowledge without any regard for politics, she just doesn't make distinctions like that. Unfortunately for her the world with its political and cultural power blocks does and it will not end well for her at all. Also for someone that smart it is extremely dumb for her not to realize this and break it off way before but then that storyline would fizzle out and we would not be able to talk about it

I didn't even thought about Bill being the second choice, Karen had an easy sell with him knowing where to dig with him and it was nice of Aleida not to burst his bubble. It remains to be seen if Aleida becomes Margo 2.0, she's on the best way to ruin her marriage and if that happens she will have transformed into Margo. That would be sad to see for all her talk about how Mexicans take care of their family, she's doing the exact opposite. Her husband was right - that money would have enabled them to take care of problems but Aleida decided otherwise.

Hardly. Sunshine, The Martian, Avatar, the Discovery from '2001: A Space Odyssey', even B5's Explorer Class; these designs are simply all drawing from a common source.
The basic configuration has been a feature of theoretical design studies for inter-planetary and interstellar ships since the 60's & 70's: Long central spine with the engines at one end, and the carousel hab as far down the other end as possible, with reactor and water tanks somewhere in-between because: radiation!

I'd say that they'd do better if they looked more towards multi-disciplined generalists more than specialists. Given the limited number of spots, giving one up to a person who's one and only function is "be artistic" is a criminal waste. Instead they should look for several candidates that have artistic and STEM aptitude (or just STEAM, I guess!)

(Oh, and my brain went straight to Jodie Foster's line in 'Contact')

It was funny to me at first that Dev suggest to bring along a Poet and Ed's reaction was completely right and necessary, fortunately Dev doesn't seem to have a big Elon Musk type of ego so he came back down to earth and saw Ed's logical reasoning why. I don't know why but i hope it was done intentionally to poke fun at the typical startup culture of today where very bright people get together to make something but then get carried away and at the end they have spent all the money and have little to show for it. Creativity is very important but you also need leadership with a clear plan and path to get things moving in the right direction and remain efficient.

I loved the start sequence of the various ships and i have to say that the Helios ship is probably the best of them for one simple reason - they have a space with gravity onboard. They'll be travelling for months and the human body loses strength in zero gravity no matter how much you exercise per day. Their spinning design solves that problem. NASA just decided to build a huge shuttle and the Russians i couldn't make clearly out what their end design will be but probably something similar to NASA's.

I'm curious if that will become a story element later and what will happen while they're underway.

 

[FreezeC77]

I'm glad I was right about the impending time jump and there wouldn't be any drama about Ellen becoming president.

...but I really hate what's happened with Margo. I knew this was coming since the season two finale but that didn't make the turn any easier. The KGB crony was right: No matter how Margo justified her actions for purely scientific progress and peace, the FBI would consider her a spy and a traitor. I don't look forward to the truth coming out. Make no mistake, the truth will come out. It's just a matter of when. And when it does, it's going to break Aleida's heart.

Not surprised Karen tried to poach Aleida, nor was I surprised she turned the offer down despite the financial benefits and her husband's complaining. I did like how Aleida kept quiet about her job offer while bidding Bill farewell. She let him have that little victory of self-esteem. I was a little surprised that Kelly aggressively fought for her spot on the NASA mission but it makes sense. More surprising is that Ed actually kept his cool and congratulated her on the move, no matter how disappointed he was. Kudos on him for that.

...but he still has a long way to go. Danny is a complete mess and Ed cannot see it, just like he couldn't with Gordo. Times have changed and Ed doesn't see how alcoholism is a disease and how uncontrollable Danny's toxic behavior will become. On the plus side, with the time jump, we don't have to worry about the awful Danny/Karen thing. Unless we discover that Dev decided it was good to have Karen on the mission. Gods, I hope I'm wrong about that.

The only other surprising thing is I fully expected Molly to get poached, too. I just checked back and Sonya Walger is no longer in the credits. So unless they're now doing the "credit only for episodes she's in" method, I guess that's the last of Molly. Realistically, that makes sense, but damn, I want more Molly!


I thought about that, too, broadly speaking. I do agree it's a good idea to have an artist on such a mission and maybe Dev ultimately won that argument.


I think you're right. She and Aleida are the long-term characters for this show. I'm very curious to see how their stories develop over the decades.

With that in mind, while Aleida is the flight director now, I can't imagine her staying put. Going to just the Moon isn't going to sate her appetite and she'll want to go back out to space again.

Nah. We see Karen standing with Dev and Bill and the rest of the Helios 'mission control room' people on Earth when the ship ignites its engines in orbit. So we're safe from that plotline at least

I don't think having someone with artistic abilities is a bad idea, but I think on this kind of mission you need people cross-trained with multiple disciplines. So if you had an artist who was say a certified doctor or engineer or whatever that would make sense. Just someone who is strictly an "artist"? I think I'd go with Ed on that one.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

So I've been thinking about Molly's future. I know I'm desperately grasping at straws here (and I don't know how reliable TV Line's source is especially without a link...), but I could see a scenario where things go bad with the Helios mission and Karen decides they need to bring in Molly to help handle the situation. Especially since Molly has a long history with dealing with Ed and Ed-related crises. Fingers crossed!

Now that we've time-jumped to the three launches, any guesses on how long the season will focus on the actual trips before arriving on Mars? I'm guessing two three episodes, which allow plenty of time to focus on Mars itself. It's probably more than but I really hope it's not left for the penultimate episode.

I don't hate what's happening to Margo - she was always a bit naive when it came to real world issues. She's an engineer in soul and heart and just wants to advance the science and knowledge without any regard for politics, she just doesn't make distinctions like that. Unfortunately for her the world with its political and cultural power blocks does and it will not end well for her at all. Also for someone that smart it is extremely dumb for her not to realize this and break it off way before but then that storyline would fizzle out and we would not be able to talk about it

I agree with all of that but that doesn't make me hate the situation any less. My heart breaks for her because her intentions were pure if, as you said, naïve.

I didn't even thought about Bill being the second choice, Karen had an easy sell with him knowing where to dig with him and it was nice of Aleida not to burst his bubble. It remains to be seen if Aleida becomes Margo 2.0, she's on the best way to ruin her marriage and if that happens she will have transformed into Margo. That would be sad to see for all her talk about how Mexicans take care of their family, she's doing the exact opposite. Her husband was right - that money would have enabled them to take care of problems but Aleida decided otherwise.

I hadn't thought about Aleida becoming Margo 2.0 but I think you're right about that. Like I said before, that one visit to the Moon won't have sate her appetite and she will undoubtedly feel the need to go Mars (and beyond!), regardless how that'll effect her family.

I loved the start sequence of the various ships and i have to say that the Helios ship is probably the best of them for one simple reason - they have a space with gravity onboard. They'll be travelling for months and the human body loses strength in zero gravity no matter how much you exercise per day. Their spinning design solves that problem. NASA just decided to build a huge shuttle and the Russians i couldn't make clearly out what their end design will be but probably something similar to NASA's.

Oh, good point there. Hopefully that was a deliberate choice by Moore and company and that comes into play when they all reach Mars.

Nah. We see Karen standing with Dev and Bill and the rest of the Helios 'mission control room' people on Earth when the ship ignites its engines in orbit. So we're safe from that plotline at least

Oh, thank the gods. I missed that so thank you for pointing that out.

But as already noted, it'll undoubtedly come out as a point of friction between Ed and Danny.

I don't think having someone with artistic abilities is a bad idea, but I think on this kind of mission you need people cross-trained with multiple disciplines. So if you had an artist who was say a certified doctor or engineer or whatever that would make sense. Just someone who is strictly an "artist"? I think I'd go with Ed on that one.

I do agree with the idea of cross-training. Not all scientists are artistically challenged and vice versa. Take me for instance: I majored in physics but now I'm following a career in photography and writing.

 

[The Knappos]

What’s the betting one ship will get in trouble and need rescuing by the others? And thus is born interplanetary cooperation.

 

[FPAlpha]

What’s the betting one ship will get in trouble and need rescuing by the others? And thus is born interplanetary cooperation.

Pretty much guaranteed that something will go very wrong, most likely Helios or NASA ( or both) because the Russian part has no actors we know and care about. They'll obviously all make it there somehow but then i'm actually curious what will happen next, i.e. will it be the season finale or will we get to spend 1-2 episodes there and then pull the finale ( Martians attack!!! ).

Anybody expecting China, EU or someone else to become a factor in season 4?

 

[FreezeC77]

Pretty much guaranteed that something will go very wrong, most likely Helios or NASA ( or both) because the Russian part has no actors we know and care about. They'll obviously all make it there somehow but then i'm actually curious what will happen next, i.e. will it be the season finale or will we get to spend 1-2 episodes there and then pull the finale ( Martians attack!!! ).

Anybody expecting China, EU or someone else to become a factor in season 4?

I could see some kind of catastrophe with the Soviets Mars mission which leads to questioning of the government and their financial priorities and ends up bringing down the Soviet Union. Especially if they lose out of CAPITALISM (Private Company Helios)

There was that shot in the trailer for the season that seemed to show two different sets of spacesuits on Mars. I wonder if they could be both Helios & NASA approaching the wreckage of the Soviet craft?

 

[David cgc]

A problem with the Soviet mission could also result in the KGB thinking Margot played them for fools and seeking reprisals.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind. Possibly Margo decided to give them slightly bad intel...and that's going to bite her in the ass.

 

[Airmandan]

The only way Margo comes out of this is if she comes clean to Ellen. How much of a scandal this might cause is something we will have to wait and see. And as much as I hope it doesn’t turn out to be true, I’m betting Ellen is going to be assassinated at some point towards the end of the season.

 

[Marc]

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind. Possibly Margo decided to give them slightly bad intel...and that's going to bite her in the ass.

I don't think she's like that.

Advancing space exploration is Margo's one aim in life and making it safe as possible would be once facet. Giving information that was distorted and could cost lives would go against that.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think she would do that either. It was just an idle thought.

 

[trash80]

In S2 she leaked details of a fix to the shuttle's boosters to the Soviets so the Buran didn't go boom.

 

[David cgc]

Holy shit. Episode 4's ending is...holy shit. Hall-of-fame, and the episode was already strong.

 

[Tuskin38]

There was that shot in the trailer for the season that seemed to show two different sets of spacesuits on Mars. I wonder if they could be both Helios & NASA approaching the wreckage of the Soviet craft?

It's NASA and the Soviets (helmets give it away). Helios has blue suits I believe based on the trailers.

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And I guess episode 4 confirms it

 

[trash80]

Episode 4 was... extraordinary. Has anyone got a time machine, i don't think i can wait a week.

Spoiler

I suspect Dev will be forced to join the rescue now, i liked the contrast in attitudes between the old NASA hands and the new generation.

 

[marillion]

UGH!! I can't watch until later today. No fair!!