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Flip-Floping on TAS Anyone?

I also remember, from reading up on first aid as a child, NEVER MOVE AN INJURED PERSON UNLESS THE DANGER FROM NOT MOVING HIM/HER EXCEEDS THE DANGER OF MOVING HIM/HER. And I also remember plenty of rescues depicted in Emergency! leaving the injured person in situ until the appropriate backboard and/or cervical collar, and/or splint(s) can be applied, radioing the vitals to the hospital in situ, possibly even starting a TKO IV in situ.

Maybe we should spin this off into another topic, but one other fictional medical trope that I think is dead wrong is the idea that it's dangerous to let a severely injured person fall asleep, or they may never wake up. This is a nice storytelling excuse to keep characters talking to each other, but in real life, I gather, sleep is generally beneficial for healing.
 
There are undoubtedly specific situations where the trope is true, but they are probably outnumbered by those where it is false.

And quite frankly, while I'm sure TVTropes has a page for it, I haven't a clue how to find that particular page.
 
Maybe we should spin this off into another topic, but one other fictional medical trope that I think is dead wrong is the idea that it's dangerous to let a severely injured person fall asleep, or they may never wake up. This is a nice storytelling excuse to keep characters talking to each other, but in real life, I gather, sleep is generally beneficial for healing.
It's a holdover from concussion protocols but once evaluated by a medical provider then sleep is ok
 
I can't get into TV Tropes anymore, since it keeps thinking my ad blocker is on even when it isn't, and it looks like the only way around that is a paid subscription. I recently bookmarked Tropedia, which seems to be an offshoot wiki that duplicates a lot of TV Tropes's content.

Anyway, we were talking about the influence of animated shows giving moral lessons at the end. Filmation always tried to be educational and give positive messages in its shows, and I didn't find them "condescending." If anything, I've always felt that the Filmation shows I grew up watching, particularly Fat Albert, were as influential in shaping my strong sense of morality as Star Trek was. (Although that left me feeling very betrayed when I learned what a horrible person Bill Cosby had really been all the time he was lecturing kids on being good and fair and honest.)
 
There are undoubtedly specific situations where the trope is true, but they are probably outnumbered by those where it is false.

And quite frankly, while I'm sure TVTropes has a page for it, I haven't a clue how to find that particular page.
I honestly thought quicksand would play a larger part in my life than it actually did. And the number of sand filled bottomless pits are not nearly as many as I expected....
 
I honestly thought quicksand would play a larger part in my life than it actually did. And the number of sand filled bottomless pits are not nearly as many as I expected....
The last work I saw that featured quicksand was Rise of Skywalker, set in the Star Wars universe which is infamous for its countless bottomless pits
 
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Man eating tiger. (from I Love Lucy, "Ethel's Hometown")
 
I never had a flip flop moment with TAS, I've always liked it just fine. Getting older gives a slightly different perspective on it, needed me to adjust my expectations a bit, but it's still been fun to revisit.

I first came across it during a trip to New England to visit cousins and an aunt. They had Nickelodeon on the channels and for about a week was able to watch a bunch of TAS stories. When family returned to Arizona, I found at the library the Star Trek Logs by Alan Dean Foster had stories that sounded so much like the animated stories we had seen. Reading them made clear they were exactly the same stories in prose form. I semi-regularly would check out Log Four and Log Six, which had most of the stories I had seen while visiting extended family. They had the covers with the Enterprise at different angles, I'm fond of those covers.

I never understood the need of people to dismiss TAS as not canonical. When eventually I did understand the notion of canonicity I have tended to end up feeling impatient with the desire of some people to erase the events of TAS. They're fun in their own unique way, while still being ST.
 
I am talking about the separate bit after the story proper
I thought that maybe that was what you were talking about. What makes the matter woth thinking about to me is that TAS actually might seem to spend less time talking about moral issues than the live action version of the show.
It's like Doctor Who. It was always meant as a kids' show,
This is the first I'm hearing Dr. Who was for kids. In person I've only ever heard it talked about as though it was for adults, even when kids are talking about it.
 
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This is the first I'm hearing Dr. Who was for kids. In person I've only ever heard it talked about as though it was for adults, even when kids are talking about it.

It was always meant as a children's series, or at least as a family series. The early seasons were meant to be educational, alternating between science fiction and straight historical adventures. William Hartnell was particularly fond of the following the Doctor had among children and strove to be a good role model for them (at least in public). I believe there was initially some internal jockeying at the BBC over whether the show would be produced by the children's department or the drama department, and some surprise that it went to the latter despite being a children's show. There's a frequently referenced meme among adult Who fans and creators about how they became fans as children while hiding behind the sofa from the monsters.
 
It was always meant as a children's series, or at least as a family series. The early seasons were meant to be educational, alternating between science fiction and straight historical adventures. William Hartnell was particularly fond of the following the Doctor had among children and strove to be a good role model for them (at least in public). I believe there was initially some internal jockeying at the BBC over whether the show would be produced by the children's department or the drama department, and some surprise that it went to the latter despite being a children's show. There's a frequently referenced meme among adult Who fans and creators about how they became fans as children while hiding behind the sofa from the monsters.
Yes, I agree. Certainly was an educational show for kids at the start but evolved relatively early into something broader. And by the time I got to it in the 80's it was aimed more towards upper teens / young adults. John Nathan-Turner amped up some of the sex appeal and glamour to bring in a broader audience. The female companions' hem and neck lines got progressively shorter. Peri was the apex of that decision - something a couple of friends of mine continually brought up. I was too distracted by her American accent stressing really hard R's in "Doctor." And you gotta love the English saddling an American character with the name "Perpugilliam." That's as bad as Hamlyn Gynt on "Strange Report."

TAS was aimed a little younger out of necessity, but like Jonny Quest, it had some sophistication. At least we didn't have Kirk showing up in a weekly epilogue to discuss the moral of the story, "In today's episode, young Spock made a grown up decision to spare his pet a life of pain and suffering. Sometimes, doing the right thing can be painful. Growing up is hard. See you next time!"
 
Yes, I agree. Certainly was an educational show for kids at the start but evolved relatively early into something broader. And by the time I got to it in the 80's it was aimed more towards upper teens / young adults. John Nathan-Turner amped up some of the sex appeal and glamour to bring in a broader audience. The female companions' hem and neck lines got progressively shorter.

Aiming a show at children and including appeal for adults have never been mutually exclusive goals. Most children's shows have elements that are intended to appeal to parents watching along with their kids, like how Rocky & Bullwinkle had lots of subversive political humor. Even Sesame Street has always had a lot of jokes and references that toddlers learning their ABCs would be too young to understand, like Monsterpiece Theatre and "Alistair Cookie." (Heck, I doubt most adults younger than my generation would know who Alistair Cooke was.) And there have been a fair number of kids' shows that featured sexy women in revealing outfits, e.g. Teela's armored bathing suit in He-Man.

For that matter, Doctor Who always made a point of including sexy young women "for the dads." That didn't start with Peri. Sure, you could get away with more skin on TV by the 1980s, but the principle was the same.


And the fact that TOS writers and producers were involved maintained that standard. Had it been a Filmation staff job, the result would have been different.

That's entirely false, and deeply unfair to Filmation. First of all, it's a false dichotomy. D.C. Fontana was the story editor of TAS season 1, but Lou Scheimer and Norm Prescott were its actual producers, the same as every other Filmation show until Prescott's retirement in 1978, and Fontana wasn't involved with season 2. It doesn't get more "Filmation staff" than Scheimer, Prescott, and Filmation's other co-founder and head director Hal Sutherland, who directed the entirety of TAS season 1, with veteran Filmation animation director Bill Reed directing all of season 2. And several TAS episodes were written by animation writers who worked on other Filmation shows, such as Len Janson, Chuck Menville, and David Wise.

The whole reason Roddenberry went with Filmation instead of Hanna-Barbera or another studio was because Filmation was the only animation studio that wanted to produce an authentic, adult-oriented continuation of TOS rather than kiddifying it with cute mascots and zany plots and whatnot. They were fans of the show and wanted to do it right.

Filmation generally strove to be faithful in its adaptations of adventure series. Their Tarzan: Lord of the Jungle was the most faithful screen adaptation of the original novels I've ever seen aside from toning down the violence, portraying Tarzan as an educated man rather than a monosyllabic brute and using multiple characters and concepts from the novels. Their Flash Gordon, at least in its first season, was also very faithful to the original comic strips, though the network forced them to dumb it down for kids in season 2. Filmation did sometimes adjust the shows to be more educational, like how its Lone Ranger series focused on real figures and events from the history of the Old West (albeit conflating 30 years of real history and told in no particular order), but otherwise authenticity was very important to them. The adaptations they took more liberties with tended to be comedies like The New Adventures of Gilligan (and Gilligan's Planet), The Brady Kids, and My Favorite Martians. Okay, granted, Filmation's Shazam was hardly faithful to the comics, but in modestly budgeted live action, it really couldn't be.
 
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