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Flip-Floping on TAS Anyone?
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Nowhere did I say it did. It was the apex of it under John Nathan-Turner during Doctor Who.
He had said in Doctor Who: A Celebration that he specifically was adding "more leg" to the series. All one has to do is see the skirts of Lisa Sutton and Janet Fielding as evidence of it.
Yes, I know the skirts got shorter in the 60's as well, reflecting the style, but things got more chaste for the most part in the 70's.
But fine, yes, most of the shows where they failed to do good writing wise were comedies. Although Jason of Star Command as it went along and The New Adventures of Batman weren't in their upper echelon (Batman would have been better without Bat-Mite).
Ark II wasn't bad though. Sam Peeples did a lot of heavy lifting for Filmation for a while.
Nowhere did I say it did. It was the apex of it under John Nathan-Turner during Doctor Who.
He had said in Doctor Who: A Celebration that he specifically was adding "more leg" to the series. All one has to do is see the skirts of Lisa Sutton and Janet Fielding as evidence of it.
Yes, I know the skirts got shorter in the 60's as well, reflecting the style, but things got more chaste for the most part in the 70's.
Not that deeply. Sorry, but I have to do is pull out a few episodes from my collection to see simple plotting and messages tacked onto the ends of episodes of dozens of shows. Live action and animated. Some aimed lower in age than others. Watch any episode of Shazam or Isis. Most of the Archie shows.
But fine, yes, most of the shows where they failed to do good writing wise were comedies. Although Jason of Star Command as it went along and The New Adventures of Batman weren't in their upper echelon (Batman would have been better without Bat-Mite).
Ark II wasn't bad though. Sam Peeples did a lot of heavy lifting for Filmation for a while.
I wasn't talking about those shows. I was talking about your erroneous description of TAS as not produced by Filmation staffers. It was Filmation's three founders, Scheimer, Prescott, and Sutherland, who produced and directed the show, with Fontana and the other writers working for them. It was their desire from the start to make TAS as faithful to TOS as they could, regardless of how they approached other shows in their stable. That, again, is specifically why Roddenberry chose them to make the show instead of another studio.
Bat-Mite was created in 1959 by Bill Finger and Sheldon Moldoff and was a staple of the Batman comics from 1959-64, so Filmation can't be held solely accountable for that.
Although it's worth noting that Orko in He-Man is the exact same character as Filmation's Bat-Mite, with the same voice (by Scheimer), abilities, personality, extradimensional origins, and crush on the redheaded female lead. So they liked the character enough to use him again after a name and design change.
What is so out date about TNG besides the bridge interior design?
The style of acting. The overplayed “we’re the good guys looking down on everyone else” mindset.
Among other things.
One bit of lapsed futurism was in "The Naked Now", when Mr. Data had to find an instance of somebody taking a shower with their clothes on. Lacking a search engine, he had to visually page through everything in the Federation database. Everything.
In "The Royale", Picard says Fermat's Last Theorem has never been proved. A proof was published five years later.
TOS cartoon had a search engine???
Flip-flopping. I want to see TAS as the fourth season of TOS, except animated. But then I actually watch it, and I just can't do it. It's TAS. It's good for a Saturday Morning '70s Cartoon, but there's no escaping what it is. I don't dislike it, and there are some episodes I actually do enjoy for what they are, but it only goes so far.
I've never flip-flopped on TAS. All involved set out to produce a legitimate sequel series to TOS and achieved it within the animation format, and its the one ST series that's come closest to the quality of TOS.
The others have issues...
H-B was garbage, particularly when they moved farmed their shows out to an Australian animation company, but no matter where the animation was produced, H-B's work always appeared low rent and half-assed right around 1968 - forward. Unlike H-B, Filmation did approach each series with different quality outcomes depending on subject. For example, series such as My Favorite Martians, The New Adventures of Mighty Mouse & Heckle and Jeckle or The Kid Power Hour with Shazam! were cranked out with the bare minimum effort, which placed the aforementioned series on the same level as most dreck created for U.S. networks of the era. That said, yet every frame of Filmation's Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle, Space Sentinels, Blackstar, The New Adventures of The Lone Ranger and the jewels in the crown with Star Trek & The New Adventures of Flash Gordon, were innumerable levels of artistic quality above anything H-B attempted in the same periods.
Limited as TMSH had been in terms of animation, it remains the most faithful Marvel adaptation ever committed to film by far, and yes, the library cues were amazing and well-selected for just the right scenes.
For me, the change of opinion was especially extreme due to the German dubbing I watched:
As a kid, the only TAS version on tv in Germany was the horrible 70s dubbing -- all characters had different voices than on TOS, the episodes were heavily cut down to 15 minutes each, and the translation tried to turn it into a silly comedy with a constant stream of silly jokes and wordplays.
Later in 1994, a new dubbing was released on VHS, with the original TOS voice actors, uncut, and a translation true to the original.
This new translation was acceptable, but I regretted that by the time it was available, I was a tad too old already to fully enjoy the children target audience focus of the show.
When was Leela the companion? Remind me of Romana's introduction?
By "the original TOS voice actors," do you mean the same German actors who dubbed TOS into German?
Again, though, TAS was explicitly not targeted only at children. It was promoted to the press at the first Saturday morning show intended for an all-ages audience, more sophisticated than the usual Saturday morning fare. The writers were instructed to write on the same level as TOS, except shorter, with less violence and romance, and with no budgetary restrictions on their imaginations. Indeed, I gather that several TAS episodes are adapted from unused TOS scripts or pitches.
January 1977 to March 1978.
That was September 1978, after the hiatus between seasons. Although as gorgeous as I found both Romanas, neither of them was sexualized the way Leela was.
Romana I overall? No. The first shot where it pans from her feet to her face and the Doctor's (and presumably K-9's) reaction? It was up there with Spock's reaction shot in Mudd's Women.
But she was wearing a lot more than Leela did. You don't see the shape of her figure, just an elegant-looking dress (albeit one with a moderately low neckline). I don't see that as sexualizing; it's just showing that she's a classy, elegant, well-dressed woman (and the tilt-up also reveals that she's holding the tracker wand for the Key pieces). It's showcasing her beauty, but not in a titillating or objectifying way. I certainly don't see the Doctor's or K9's reaction as suggestive of anything sexual; the Doctor doesn't even look directly at her until she introduces herself, at which point he makes an insulting crack about her name. And when she kneels to give him the tracker, he stares warily and pulls back as if he wants nothing to do with her.
I also don't get what you're saying about Spock's reaction shot. If you mean when the women are first beamed aboard, Spock's reaction appears surprised, as he was expecting the freighter's crew instead, and then he stares in puzzlement at the human men's reactions to the women, as they have no effect on him.
9:20 on Paramount+. He's grinning and turns to someone off camera and shrugs like "Wow, What are you gonna do, right?"
Tom Baker's reaction is not "SHE'S got the tracker? I'm shocked and surprised!"
Yes, those who also dubbed TOS.
And yes, many TAS scripts are rather "adult", but I still think I would have enjoyed it better, if I had been younger when I first saw the decent version.
His reaction is "I don't want an assistant forced on me by someone else, especially a member of the civilization I ran away from and don't trust. I just want to wander the universe with my dog and have fun." I really have no clue why you're reading something sexual or male-gazey into it.
I missed TAS when I was a kid. I was a bit too young for TAS (3-5 years old). Did not start getting into Trek/Who/Lost In Space & Buck Rogers, Battlestar Gakactica until later on. Say around age 7-9.
First time I saw TAS was on Paramount, though I do remember a stray ep here and there later on. But not the whole thing. Was not terribly impressed the first time save for a couple.
In my distancing from Paramount/CBS, been buying it all on physical media. Got through TOS and almost halfway through TAS now. And I do like it better. Yesteryear, The Lorelei Signal, The Infinite Vulcan, The Survivor, and Beyond The Farthest Star standing out with a bunch to go.
Still probably my least favorite show, but I do view it more favorably than a handful of the movies (Final Frontier, Nemesis, Into Darkness, and the streaming movie whose name shall not be spoken).
First time I saw TAS was on Paramount, though I do remember a stray ep here and there later on. But not the whole thing. Was not terribly impressed the first time save for a couple.
In my distancing from Paramount/CBS, been buying it all on physical media. Got through TOS and almost halfway through TAS now. And I do like it better. Yesteryear, The Lorelei Signal, The Infinite Vulcan, The Survivor, and Beyond The Farthest Star standing out with a bunch to go.
Still probably my least favorite show, but I do view it more favorably than a handful of the movies (Final Frontier, Nemesis, Into Darkness, and the streaming movie whose name shall not be spoken).
The toe-to-head pan combined with Baker bugging out his eyes and K-9 doing the robot dog equivalent is a bit sexual, so Tallguy's not totally off base. But the moment feels more Lou Costello/played for laughs than anything truly prurient and in any event it passes pretty quickly, so I agree Tallguy is overstating things a bit above. Mudd's Women it ain't
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