DS9 on blu ray?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by borgboy, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. dub

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    Don't have you have a facebook group to run or something?
     
  2. BillJ

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    So people are only welcome here if they think DS9 on Blu-ray is going to happen? This thread will probably empty out pretty quick.
     
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  3. dub

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    Oh give me a break. Squiggy has told me and others to "get out" on other threads. I'm sure he can take a little joke.
     
  4. Squiggy

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    You're banned.

    Wait. I don't have that power here

    Sad face.
     
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  5. ihno

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    One humourless question: Yes, I know it's complicated. Does it really cost millions of dollars?
     
  6. Squiggy

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    Re-editing 176 episodes from scratch? Yes. It would cost millions.
     
  7. ihno

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    How many millions did TNG cost? (I know there might be different problems because of different source material, would interest me anyway)

    And the fans would not buy the Blu Rays? I have read enough complaints over the years from hardcorefans who buy it all because they need it all. They were disappointed over TNG I know.
     
  8. Kemaiku

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    TNG cost $2 million, they barely made that back on Bluray sales.

    DS9 is estimated to take $9 million when it won't make nearly as much as TNG did, spending 9 million to make back maybe 1.5 is ridiculously stupid.
     
  9. ihno

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    Thank you. So it would cost as much as two or three episodes of the new series (more or less).

    Now the 7 million more have to do with different source material? ... Well, I might have to read the thread here, I guess the answer is there somehow so feel to ignore that question, I don't want to be too redudant here.

    They didn't make two millions? Not even with licences if they sell it to other countries? I'm sure they get money from tv stations from all over the world with TNG, VOY, TOS etc pp.

    Maybe they have thrown too many Star Trek editions on the market over the years.

    edit: Couldn't they simply use it to make their CBS Access more interesting with having more special Star Trek, that you don't see somewhere else? Or would it risk the existence of the tv station? ;)
     
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  10. Squiggy

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    TNG Remastered is already on Netflix, and I'm sure all Star Trek will be CBS All Access only (at least in the US) before long.

    They could either:
    A: Spend millions remastering and put DS9 on CBS All Access and get nothing out of it besides a handful of new viewers or...
    B: Spend nothing doing nothing and put DS9 on CBS All Access and get no new viewers but who cares because you already have their money.
     
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  11. ihno

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    Who would pay six dollars a months each if I'm correct. I don't know what "a handful" is in numbers in your mind. Even if it's only 10.000 customers they get. That would be 720.000 dollars a year. So over time it sums up too. And they can still release it on bluray later etc. ppp. when the last of the DS9 dvds have fallen into pieces (they have that habit as everbody knows).

    I would not be surprised if they will do it on the long run/some time in the future. At least with Voyager.

    Did Netflix get that remastered version for free?
     
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  12. Squiggy

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    That money wouldn't be going to fund DS9-R. IF anything would, it would be pennies on the dollar.
     
  13. dub

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    Please post your source.
     
  14. ihno

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    Pennies sum up on the long run as I've said. High definition is still quite new and people will expect "updates" on older shows more and more or they will not watch it any more and then they cannot sell it any more. If European tv stations swtich to high defition in ten years and demand an update of older shows 9 mio dollars will be no money at all.
     
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    Problem being, most folks honestly don't care about HD. Which is why DVD is still a going concern and Blu-ray is pretty much a niche product.

    And I imagine most European stations are broadcasting in digital, which is the requirement for HD.
     
  16. ihno

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    With "on the long run" I didn't mean next week or next year. It will not be a niche product forever. Star Trek is 50 years old now, some people will want Voy and DS9 in 10 or 20 years.

    I just saw it with Universal recently. When they took over the Decca studios in the mid 90s they stopped all the "big projects" in the classical section because of 2 or 5 million dollars and now they have all their unfinished projects which they try to complete with different orchestras and conductors because people refuse to buy "all Haydn symphonies" with 18 of 110 missing. That policy also made people like me stop to buy new series because you never know if they finish it. Sorry for the detour, I know it's not fully comparable.

    as for european stations: Well, don't watch much tv but as for TNG there is a "downscaled" remastered version to be seen so it seems not to be hdtv on that station in question. It had been on full hd on another station.
     
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    In Germany the public funded channels broadcast in 720p HD and the private channels broadcast in Free TV in SD quality (around 570i, but often blurry) and for additional fee (via HD+) in 1080i.

    So when a private channel shows Trek (which is the norm; only TOS is shown by public funded TV), it is not in HD for free.
     
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    STAR TREK is currently shown on ZDF neo in the morning, the remastered version in HD. You can get ZDF neo via satellite, and probably other means. Maybe once ST is over they show TNG, as ZDF did so in the 1990s before the Star Trek franchise went to SAT1.
     
  19. RunawayStarShip

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    I don't think that's right. I think they said that Season One of TNG cost $9 million to remaster, but each additional season cost a lot less (due to the magic of stock footage). Perhaps each additional season cost $2 million?

    We assume TNG made back it's budget (from all revenue streams, like Blu-ray, iTunes, etc.) since the remastering wasn't canceled midway or anything that dire. In fact, TNG may have even done "okay but not good" since a year ago CBS was apparently looking for quotes on how much it would cost to redo the CGI in seasons 5-7 of DS9 (according to Gep Malakai, I think, who worked for one of the companies asked by CBS).

    That being said, obviously the cost analysis for DS9 and Voyager didn't work out (at least for the foreseeable future).
     
  20. Gepard

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    The total cost to remaster DS9 that was being kicked around in the company I work for was in the mid-$20 million range for the entire series. Average of $3 to $4 million per season.

    If anything, Chem was underselling the expense of the project.