Of course it is, it's also fun. All I said was that it doesn't have any evidence in the shows.
Do you like the Discovery Klingon look?
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Of course it is, it's also fun. All I said was that it doesn't have any evidence in the shows.
I wouldn't say no evidence. Just limited.
love it. And it seems some people up here would have no issue with it.Personally, I think they ought to have gone with this:
Back before the Burn the Klingons experienced major breakthroughs in Warp Tech allowing them to regularly exceed Warp 10.
There was also an IDW miniseries about the Mirror Universe which was a follow-up to Disco's MU storyline in season 1, and then along came Terra Firma and negated the hell out of that.
I have always loved that idea, though perhaps a few less spikes.Personally, I think they ought to have gone with this:
However, I have more respect for the author demonstrating proper trigger discipline with the Starfleet officer.
I subscribe to the theory that in the vast majority of cases, it's not what the show or movie is about, it's how it's about it.
If they can find a way to make it into a really good story, I'll probably be okay with the overwhelming majority of changes they make.
However, I suspect that depicting Klingons as ten-foot-tall elephant-like hexapods would probably inhibit their ability to make the Klingons into empathetic, believable, three-dimensional characters portrayed by actors giving vivid performances, so while I don't have a problem with hexapodal Klingons per se, I don't think it's a concept they would be able to execute very well. The "how it's about it" would probably fail.
technology and ideas have nothing to do with designs.
how do you determine if a design is forward or not?
how do you want formats to change?
political progress, societal progress, equality, all of course, of course, obviously and clearly have nothing at all whatsoever to do with designs, visual continuity, and internal consistency of established looks and sounds. why would y'all think that? makes no sense at all XD
tellarites were not a major redesigns, they and the andorians were what I would say is a valid update. no head shape changes, no general shape changes, only the hands were more human and less piggy I guess XD
gorn looked very different, but they appeared only once before, and therefore we're only comparing 1 individual to 1 individual.
how were tholians changed? we just saw more of the body.
half of disco's story elements isn't needed - does that mean they should get rid of them and only have 6 episode seasons? the klingon explanation was part of a storyline
is that a disco le-matya? XDPersonally, I think they ought to have gone with this:
They didn't redesign the Tholians, they just showed more of their body off. Less of a redesign, more of adding to what we saw in TOS.
By technology I mean filmmaking. Make up. Props. Cameras. SFX. And yes they have everything to do with ideas and how they are realized. Also it means keeping up with current science and using that to enhance the storytelling. No reason to hang on to outdated science just because it was mentioned in an episode fifty years ago.
The format's already changing with season long arcs, shorter seasons, animated comedies and one off short stories. The platform is different.
Because that's all window dressing. The characters and stories are at the heart of thing. Not the cut of a uniform, the shape of forehead appliance or color of the set. Reimagine the sets using the latest techniques. Resign the uniforms with modern fabrics. Take the make up and push it forward. Trek has never been afraid to do that in the past, why start now?
My head canon Klingon explanation:
The augment virus was largely contained and spread very slowly over 100 years. Kor in the Discovery comic shows that it had moved to the noble houses by the 2350s, thus the search for a cure was given higher priority. By the end of Kirk's 5 year mission said cure had been found and was being distributed, hence Kor, Kang and Koloth having ridges in DS9. I have yet to work out why every one outside the empire seems to have forgotten the Klingons had ridges, then forgotten they lost them for a while.
110ish years
The Tellarites redesign was minor, the Gorn was just a use of updated tech, the Tholians weren't redesigned, we just finally saw one in full, and none of those species had the established in story appearance change that the Klingons already had in their backstory when the show started.
How did Terra Firma negate that? It was a possible dream episode that if it happened at all happened before Discovery even went to the MU.
The augment virus was largely contained and spread very slowly over 100 years. Kor in the Discovery comic shows that it had moved to the noble houses by the 2350s, thus the search for a cure was given higher priority. By the end of Kirk's 5 year mission said cure had been found and was being distributed, hence Kor, Kang and Koloth having ridges in DS9. I have yet to work out why every one outside the empire seems to have forgotten the Klingons had ridges, then forgotten they lost them for a while.
110ish years
The Tellarites redesign was minor, the Gorn was just a use of updated tech, the Tholians weren't redesigned, we just finally saw one in full, and none of those species had the established in story appearance change that the Klingons already had in their backstory when the show started.
How did Terra Firma negate that? It was a possible dream episode that if it happened at all happened before Discovery even went to the MU.
Enough time for changes.
Makeup can be a new material filmed with new cameras, props can be 3D-printed, which seems to be the odd new thing - none of which has anything to do with the design itself.
What does old or new science have to do with designs? What do the designs have to do with storytelling? What is the connection between previous Klingon makeup and outdated science?
How do longer arcs, shorter seasons, animation and short treks and being on streaming services relate in any way to the designs and makeup?
If characters and story are the things that matter, why do you care about designs and looks? So the colors and shapes aren't important, as you say, then why do they have to be changed, if they don't matter? Why would modern fabrics mean the design itself has to be altered as well?
Either you get it or you don't
that's actually exactly what I wrote some pages ago.
which is also an issue with the current Klingon design, since it really looks like a rubber mask and hinders the acting.However, I suspect that depicting Klingons as ten-foot-tall elephant-like hexapods would probably inhibit their ability to make the Klingons into empathetic, believable, three-dimensional characters portrayed by actors giving vivid performances, so while I don't have a problem with hexapodal Klingons per se, I don't think it's a concept they would be able to execute very well. The "how it's about it" would probably fail.
Same goes for the new Orions actually.
I don’t think that at the time of TOS they had forgotten about the ridges, it just doesn’t make sense for them to point out something they already are perfectly well aware of.
It's not that hard:
set, prop, model, and costume production, like filming equipment have nothing to do with the designs.
"old" or "new" science have nothing to do with designs.
designs usually have no connection to the story.
there is no connection between previous Klingon makeup designs and "outdated science".
longer arcs, shorter seasons, animation and short treks, or being on streaming services does not at all relate in any way to the designs and makeup.
if characters and story matter most, designs and looks don't matter that much.
if colors and shapes aren't important, they do not have to be changed.
using modern fabrics does not have any influence on whether the design itself has to be altered or not.
simple logic, as Spock would say.
Airiam is a major character in the IDW comic series, where it is established she is a cybernetic alien serving on the Shenzhou. Terra Firma shows she's human and Disco's first officer.
You’re right about the IDW series conflicting with canon in its portrayal of Airiam, though it was superseded by conflicting onscreen information even before Terra Firma.
In S02E09 Project Daedalus Airiam’s memory downloads established that she was human before injuries sustained in a shuttle accident that necessitated her cybernetic augmentation, and killed her husband Stephen in the Prime Universe.
^^True, but Terra Firma did establish Mirror Airiam had a higher rank on a different ship than the IDW comic did.
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