Do you like the Discovery Klingon look?

[JoaquinSlowly]

That’s fair!

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's not that hard:

set, prop, model, and costume production, like filming equipment have nothing to do with the designs.
"old" or "new" science have nothing to do with designs.
designs usually have no connection to the story.
there is no connection between previous Klingon makeup designs and "outdated science".
longer arcs, shorter seasons, animation and short treks, or being on streaming services does not at all relate in any way to the designs and makeup.
if characters and story matter most, designs and looks don't matter that much.
if colors and shapes aren't important, they do not have to be changed.
using modern fabrics does not have any influence on whether the design itself has to be altered or not.

simple logic, as Spock would say.

You don't get it.

 

[Sci]

tellarites were not a major redesigns,

They were absolutely a major redesign. The TOS Tellarites had three furry fingers on each hand, but Westmore gave them five hairless fingers. That's not some minor thing -- how many digits are on the end of a limb is a fundamental species trait, way more important than minor things like skin tone. To change the number of fingers Tellarites have is as radical a redesign as that of the DIS Klingons.

they and the andorians were what I would say is a valid update. no head shape changes,

Westmore gave the Andorians bumpy foreheads. Now, that was done to conceal the motors used to make the antennae move, but it is just false to assert there were no head shape changes.

gorn looked very different, but they appeared only once before, and therefore we're only comparing 1 individual to 1 individual.

So what? The body shape and skeletal structure of the TOS Gorn and ENT Gorn were completely different.

which is also an issue with the current Klingon design, since it really looks like a rubber mask and hinders the acting.

I think that's a valid critique with the DIS Klingon design. I personally don't see it, but if you do that's a bit subjective and is valid. I don't mind the way it modifies the actors' speech though -- to me it just seems like it's an alien accent, a reminder that these people are aliens whose bodies weren't actually designed to speak English naturally.

Same goes for the new Orions actually.

I didn't have any problems with the acting for the Orions, but I don't like the makeup they use because their skin looks plastic.

 

[NCC-73515]

You don't get it.

Or just perhaps... you don't get it
What a brilliant argument in a discussion.
Show me where this logic is wrong instead.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Or just perhaps... you don't get it
What a brilliant argument in a discussion.
Show me where this logic is wrong instead.

What logic?

 

[Tuskin38]

This is going in circles.

 

[Jadeb]

This is going in circles.

Year four.

 

[jackoverfull]

The TOS Tellarites had three furry fingers on each hand, but Westmore gave them five hairless fingers.

we saw i think one tellarite in tos, for all we know he was missing fingers and the new ones like to shave.

To change the number of fingers Tellarites have is as radical a redesign as that of the DIS Klingons

nope.

I didn’t even notice it had only three fingers, in fact, with the Klingons most people wouldn’t recognize the new ones as Klingons at all.

 

[fireproof78]

we saw i think one tellarite in tos, for all we know he was missing fingers and the new ones like to shave.

Three, actually. So, yes, it was a change. It could have been a new alien in ENT.

 

[jackoverfull]

Three, actually. So, yes, it was a change. It could have been a new alien in ENT.

except as the ones in ent were still clearly recognizable as tellarites, the new Klingons (or the tmp ones, or the ds9 trills) couldn’t be recognized on the spot as the same species.

 

[Nerys Myk]

we saw i think one tellarite in tos, for all we know he was missing fingers and the new ones like to shave.

They appear in Journey To Babel and Whom Gods Destroy.

 

[jackoverfull]

They appear in Journey To Babel and Whom Gods Destroy.

thanks, forgot they were in WMD.

 

[Nerys Myk]

thanks, forgot they were in WMD.

The makeup looked a little cheaper in WGD. Especially the hair and beard.

 

[fireproof78]

except as the ones in ent were still clearly recognizable as tellarites, the new Klingons (or the tmp ones, or the ds9 trills) couldn’t be recognized on the spot as the same species.

Clearly is a matter of perspective.

 

[jackoverfull]

The makeup looked a little cheaper in WGD. Especially the hair and beard.

I imagine they reused the mask and did what they could to offer what was less prominent character on a tinier budget.

Clearly is a matter of perspective.

I thought we covered this several pages ago. Are you willing to state that in 2017, without context, you would have immediately identified those as Klingons?

 

[fireproof78]

thought we covered this several pages ago. Are you willing to state that in 2017, without context, you would have immediately identified those as Klingons?

I was talking about the Tellarites.

 

[jackoverfull]

So you had problems guessing that this fellow

Was probably related to this one?

 

[Sci]

Again, the number of digits a species has is a defining trait for a species. If large portions of the population have three fingers instead of five, then that's a separate species. So whether or not you find it noticeable or subjectively objectionable, the decision to give them five fingers is an objectively major redesign with large implications for how the species evolved both physically and culturally. It is as objectively major a redesign as the DIS redesign for Klingons.

 

[fireproof78]

So you had problems guessing that this fellow

Was probably related to this one?

Initially.

 

[jackoverfull]

Oh well. This is becoming pretty ridiculous.

And you could immediately recognize the discovery Klingons are klingons? Riiight.