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Divisions Starfleet should have
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No marines. No standing armies. Any standing military will want to engage in conflict, directly or indirectly, to justify its existence. This is what humanity has come to understand in the future, and why Starfleet is not a military organization. Everyone in Starfleet serves some civilian job duty and could easily transition to a non-Starfleet business or organization. They get double the training in the offensive/defensive arts to take up when in the statistically rare instances (adult) diplomacy breaks down or alien contact goes awry – for only as long as it takes to establish a diplomatic resolution. They are the fully actualized citizen soldiers of Utopia.
Interstellar nations that maintain standing militaries, regardless how noble their words or superficially well-meaning their people, invariably become captured and governed by their military-industrial complexes, the personal political interests of their leaders, and the fundamental bored, frightened, and culpable vacuousness at the center of their national and individual souls.
Interstellar nations that maintain standing militaries, regardless how noble their words or superficially well-meaning their people, invariably become captured and governed by their military-industrial complexes, the personal political interests of their leaders, and the fundamental bored, frightened, and culpable vacuousness at the center of their national and individual souls.
The word utopia means "no place." It's the name of an imaginary place that's too ideal and too idyllic to be real, to exist.
We're therefore free to imagine perfect conditions.
We can therefore imagine that the soldiers in the standing armies of utopia are not subject to temptations that you describe. Rather, any Starfleet Marines or Federation ground troops understand that their role is to defend the Federation when called upon, to train at all other times, and to be content with that. Their glory is not to conquer, but to serve.
This is no more implausible than utopia to begin with.
Like a land without slavery, where men and women are free to speak their mind, go where they like, own their own property, marry who they love, and elect or remove their own leaders? Where many diseases no longer trouble us and we live multiple times as long as we used to, eating and drinking and fornicating with peoples from every corner of the world? Our very real modern world is a very real utopia to peoples past. History does not end with our modern world.
Utopia’s such as ours are earned. Old utopias were thought possible via systems akin to those contemporary to their times. They had philosopher kings at the top. And indeed slaves below. Our modern utopias have no slaves below and elected officials at the top. What we miss today is non-military organizations like Starfleet. Scientists and explorers who through their work make the Federation more powerful than three Cardassian Unions, with their Central Commands and Obsidian Orders. Ships faster and stronger, foods more nutritious and plentiful, diseases fewer and more easily cured, and alliances overwhelming at every turn. Let the Dukat types simmer and stew in their high chairs on the other sides of their silly walls keeping in slaves ready to revolt at any opportunity. While we go where no one has gone before.
Solar System Defense.
the Starfleet that goes nowhere, but does something, maintaining planetary and solar system defense systems for members. We hear about planetary defense systems often but rarely (BEYOND notwithstanding) see how they work. (and by plot, they work, terribly)
the Starfleet that goes nowhere, but does something, maintaining planetary and solar system defense systems for members. We hear about planetary defense systems often but rarely (BEYOND notwithstanding) see how they work. (and by plot, they work, terribly)
Then humans are no better in the future than they are now? That kinda blows the whole concept of Star Trek out of the water.
Swat. Swat. Swat. That was pretty hilarious.I still remember the Borg cube against the Mars Defense Perimeter.
To your first clearly and thoroughly expressed point I say that sex is a good thing. I know, shocking.
You really have no grasp of reality. Do you?
To your second, I think you should read more history. Media attempts (on both sides of the political spectrum) to tell you otherwise for their own reasons aside, this is nowhere near the worst it’s ever been. It got here through effort and cooperation, and it will not stay here.
Whether this is as close to utopia we ever get, or lose for another century or two, Trek is but one version of the unending ebb and flow of history. Hell, I doubt 32nd century Earth is much of a utopia by their own standards either.
*That, is reality.
Better how? Do you think Star Trek humans are “better” because they biologically evolved an anti–“chimeric strain on the subatomic level in the [human] stem cell“? No, they evolved better societies that allowed them to be the better selves we always could have.
If you'd like to create a thread in the appropriate forum, perhaps I'll participate. This is a thread about Starfleet divisions, and not an appropriate thread to discuss real world politics, global economics, or fornication.
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The really stupid thing about the Mars Defense Perimeter is, what happens if the enemy travels on a trajectory that doesn't take them anywhere near Mars? Or does everyone who wants to attack Earth take as leisurely a jaunt through the solar system as the Borg did in TBOBW?I still remember the Borg cube against the Mars Defense Perimeter.
This is the appropriate forum. Sci-fi isn't just about the gadgets. And when sci-fi forgets that it tends to be dull, unpopular, and empty. The question is one of divisions and marines were suggested. I offered why I don't think marines make sense in my view of the Star Trek universe. You decided to reply to it, then got huffy because the discussion, what, became more adult than you thought? Sorry, marines are way more troubling to me than fornication. One leads to killing, the other to sleep. Frankly, I think if there were more fornication in the world there'd be less sublimation of the urge to into violence – direct (Klingons) or indirect (marines). I suspect Roddenberry felt the same. His Earth in The Motion Picture novelization is far more sophisticated than ours in this way, and his Deltans far more sophisticated than them.If you'd like to create a thread in the appropriate forum, perhaps I'll participate. This is a thread about Starfleet divisions, and not an appropriate thread to discuss real world politics, global economics, or fornication.
I'd love for an Andor-like series for Trek. Prestige adult sci-fi for an older audience. PIC was a shade of that. TNG and Berman era fans who'd tune in for a Patrick Stewart series being older. nBSG was that too, come to think of it. Created by a show runner who was looking for a next step beyond what he would do back in the 90's. Here's hoping LEGACY might pull it off. More Deltans, Remmicks, and lofty explorations of a future with families, not marines, on starships.
Please no more Remmicks.
Yes, to Marines since Starfleet is not great at ground combat but still engaged in it.
Yes, to Marines since Starfleet is not great at ground combat but still engaged in it.
The Federation really should have some sort of ground based uniform service, even if it's a "we claim not to be a military even though we act exactly like one" army or marine corps supporting the Starfleet navy.
Is it me, or did the MACOs have better tactics & cohesion than average StarFleet Tactical/Security in the 23rd & 24th Century when in CQB/CQC?
Or in the KT, Nero just waltzes through with Pike's subspace frequencies.I still remember the Borg cube against the Mars Defense Perimeter.
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