Every little bit helps.
I admit I'm a tad curious as to why so many fans seem so hell-bent against there being Starfleet Marines - you can almost see the mouth froth spewing out of the screen - but, hey, it's still fun to talk about.
Divisions Starfleet should have
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I admit I'm a tad curious as to why so many fans seem so hell-bent against there being Starfleet Marines - you can almost see the mouth froth spewing out of the screen - but, hey, it's still fun to talk about.
I was inspired to make this thread by a reference in the LD comics which I learned about from this article. https://screenrant.com/star-trek-terms-technobabble-fixed-rhetoric-engineers-op-ed/
You know what I find to be interesting.
That within the UFP, they have the "Federation Naval Patrol".
A traditional Water Based Navy designed to operate in the Water Ways/Lakes/Seas/Ocanes on Planets within the UFP.
But as far as Ground Soldiers / Boots on the ground, that should be seperated into a seperate service with detachments assigned to every StarShip / StarBase / PlanetBase.
This way you can get the necessary training to operate as a proper Soldier who deals with person to person interaction / combat.
You don't need to shove everything into StarFleet IMO.
Having other services within the UFP makes more logical sense than cramming everything into StarFleet.
As far as the Divisions & Sub-Departmental Sections within each Division, there are plenty to go around.
1) Command Division
2) Sciences Division
3) Operations Division
4) Support Division
Then you can filter out all the Departmental Sections & Sub-Sections within each Division.
That within the UFP, they have the "Federation Naval Patrol".
A traditional Water Based Navy designed to operate in the Water Ways/Lakes/Seas/Ocanes on Planets within the UFP.
But as far as Ground Soldiers / Boots on the ground, that should be seperated into a seperate service with detachments assigned to every StarShip / StarBase / PlanetBase.
This way you can get the necessary training to operate as a proper Soldier who deals with person to person interaction / combat.
You don't need to shove everything into StarFleet IMO.
Having other services within the UFP makes more logical sense than cramming everything into StarFleet.
As far as the Divisions & Sub-Departmental Sections within each Division, there are plenty to go around.
1) Command Division
2) Sciences Division
3) Operations Division
4) Support Division
Then you can filter out all the Departmental Sections & Sub-Sections within each Division.
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It's a combined service.
Yes & No.
It's combined in that they all fall under the UFP various Branch services.
But it's obviously a seperate Service since Owen Paris pressured Tom Paris to join StarFleet instead of the Federation Naval Patrol.
So it's seperate like how the US Navy & US Army are seperate services within one larger military command structure.
But when out in the field they operate like Combined Services when it comes to major operations.
It's a joke based on a line from TOS.
I haven't watched TOS, only bits / parts.
So I'm a TNG-era and newer guy.
So I have gaps in knowledge, specifically TOS.
You should correct that.
Eventually I'll do that one-day, after I get TOS ReMastered on Blu-Ray.
Here's a taste
KIRK: Bridge.
CHRISTOPHER: Must have taken quite a lot to build a ship like this.
KIRK: There are only twelve like it in the fleet.
CHRISTOPHER: I see. Did the Navy
KIRK: We're a combined service, Captain. Our authority is the United Earth Space Probe Agency.
CHRISTOPHER: United Earth?
KIRK: This is very difficult to explain. We're from your future. A time warp placed us here. It was an accident.
CHRISTOPHER: You seem to have a lot of them. However, I can't deny the fact that you're here. With this ship.
KIRK: Bridge.
CHRISTOPHER: Must have taken quite a lot to build a ship like this.
KIRK: There are only twelve like it in the fleet.
CHRISTOPHER: I see. Did the Navy
KIRK: We're a combined service, Captain. Our authority is the United Earth Space Probe Agency.
CHRISTOPHER: United Earth?
KIRK: This is very difficult to explain. We're from your future. A time warp placed us here. It was an accident.
CHRISTOPHER: You seem to have a lot of them. However, I can't deny the fact that you're here. With this ship.
A Clothier/Style division is needed since Starfleet changes its uniform designs so infrequently, assuming there's an un-universe explanation since the real-life production one was that "Yesterday's Enterprise" hadn't enough money left to design completely new uniforms, and by the time the 1701-B was christened, they were due for an overhaul too. I would also suggest that the division is ran by clothiers wearing a unicorn puke swirly style to reflect the continual evolution of change.
As it has always been.
Something I did almost 12 years ago.
In the case of Geordi, Picard, Riker, and Data, the colors were grabbed from TOS. Picard is captain, so he gets the Kirk wraparound color. Data is in science division. Command and operations colors are as they were for TOS.
Security is brown, both to distinguish it from engineering and to make it resemble the command gold/avocado a bit more (as fanwank to mesh with the Franz Joseph Technical Manual's inclusion of security topics in the command section; also there's a tight relationship between security and command, e.g. as is a plot point in "Turnabout Intruder"). Brown is also a bit less conspicuous than bright red, at least to humans.
I've forgotten now whose colors I tweaked in medical, Beverly, Troi, or both, but the idea there was to make it look good, keep them close to their TNG colors, and give them the same color, to justify Troi's dress as a casual uniform for interaction with the civilians aboard. So, Beverly and Troi are both in the medical department, and its colors are distinguished from science. What the heck is the medical color? People can argue about its name; it's something close to mint.
Wesley is in a cadet uniform.
So, I've separated medical from science and security from operations, for (at least) five divisions.
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Here are a couple of concepts from the TMP era, "fixing" the science orange.
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I'm with you on that.Marines.
Actually, it's debatable whether Starfleet Marines are canon or not. There's COLONEL West in ST VI, of course.And I believe the guys in the dark blue turtlenecks in ST V (who accompany Kirk and crew in the raid on Nimbus III) were also intended to be Marines. But you can take from that what you will.
Also I'm fairly sure that Gene Roddenberry intended for the Enterprise in TOS to carry a platoon of Marines, but for some reason we never got to see them.
Anyhoo, I find the concept of Starfleet Marines to be fascinating and I would definitely love to see them. In my headcanon, they do exist. But they are not a separate service - they may have a different uniform division color, and of course different ranks, but they are still Starfleet, and would probably take great offense at any suggestion that they are a separate service.
But they deserve their own Service seperate from StarFleet.
And in my Head Canon, I integrated the Army/Marines/Security Forces into one large Service.
That makes sense, having a dedicated Professional Diplomat serving aboard each ship to represent the UFP.
Its a Hybrid Service.
It's also a Integrated Service.
Yeah, so any UFP military service would be integrated into Starfleet.
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