Discovery ending with Season 5

[Mechanoid1]

Once the Discovery and Picard final seasons are released. How long will it take for the shows to go into syndication on comercial TV, such as H&I and Pluto TV if ever?
I'm sure, one way or another. They're going to try and get the most $ from them, low audience scores or not.
If that day ever comes. It would be nice to only then compare the ratings between all the various shows. Even if TOS has been aired since the late 60's.

 

[Dar70]

Not sad about this and all. While Discovery had a few good characters, a good exterior ship design and a few other elements I liked. It was all over the place. I still cannot forgive them for making that incredibly stupid turbo lift interior scene...dear god what were they thinking????

Yeah not sad to see this show go at all. I hope we continue to get Trek set in the Picard timeline. Or even better none at all. 110 episodes of live trek after 5 years (with Picard and SNW) is a good run and it probably needs a 3 or 4 year break again.

 

[silver121]

Not sad about this and all. While Discovery had a few good characters, a good exterior ship design and a few other elements I liked. It was all over the place. I still cannot forgive them for making that incredibly stupid turbo lift interior scene...dear god what were they thinking????

Yeah not sad to see this show go at all. I hope we continue to get Trek set in the Picard timeline. Or even better none at all. 110 episodes of live trek after 5 years (with Picard and SNW) is a good run and it probably needs a 3 or 4 year break again.

I feel like this era of Trek has finally found it's grove and knows what it wants to do. I want at least another 5 years!

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I really hope you know this won't happen

Given how bad Trek has always been with it's own canon I can see a writer someday making a mess of established 32nd century canon.

SNW is already the episodic live-action Trek series. I see no reason to have two of them running concurrently.

I'd personally like more miniseries, hour-long specials and the like, but I realize there's a big sunk cost when it comes to sets and props.

SNW is is very old fashioned light humour and end of episode reset. A 25th century show if I had my way would be more like mid/late DS9 (- the war) and explore the politics of the post Berman era.

But my point is, I haven’t seen enough of it to make any kind of judgement on whether it’s interesting or not.

I would have preferred a show that just explored the new setting without the movie style plot. Missed opportunity for me.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

So do we think they'll add episodes then to give the series a proper ending or do you think they'll stick with the original 10? Honestly I think they should do a movie length episode (90 minutes) and either air it as one full-length episode or they can split it up into two. (If you combined both parts of Such Sweet Sorrow It added up to almost 1 hour and 45 minutes so it's do able).

They will just add a quick but at the end where Riker walks out of a holodeck.

 

[Tomalak]

Hmm...you're using review numbers as the basis for audience, and cite Disco's review numbers as decisive in this respect, yet you are strangely silent on the numbers for the other series. Let's have a look...

PRO S1 - 154. Barely a ripple of interest.

LDS S1 - 795
LS S2 - 250
LDS S3 - 90. I say again, 90! You are going on about how staggering it was that Disco S4 had 80% fewer reviews by S4, yet LDS has barely a tenth by S3!

SNW S1 - 1,092. Fewer than 100 more than Discovery's oh-so-paltry S4 number, and in S1 no less - at the time when interest would likely be at its peak.. Quite the "titan" you have there.


As to scores, the people who review shows on sites like this are such a tiny fraction of the audience that I doubt the powers that be care, especially for a show which is prone to review-bombing by the "anti-woke" types like Disco.

Yeah, I was going to say the numbers for Discovery are so out of kilter with the others that it clearly suggests review bombing. I'm sure we can all remember this anecdotally - there was a concerted effort to downvote season 1, which in turn lead Discovery fans to respond positively.

Fortunately, review bombing as a phenomenon peaked around 2017 with Discovery and The Last Jedi. Pretty much everyone knows that RT audience scores are garbage. I'd be surprised if the streamers and networks put any stock in them at all. If they did, Disco wouldn't have got a third or fourth season, let alone a fifth.

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

SNW is is very old fashioned light humour and end of episode reset. A 25th century show if I had my way would be more like mid/late DS9 (- the war) and explore the politics of the post Berman era.

I'd say that would be an interesting idea. I mean we're kind of getting some of it now. Federation worlds aren't all idylic and from what we've seen so far of M'talas Prime is pretty much a skeevy Bladerunner Dive

I would have preferred a show that just explored the new setting without the movie style plot. Missed opportunity for me.

Audiences became hungry for more hope filled shows with lighter plots after nearly a decade of relentless misery for dramatic output. Which honestly is such a relief for now. Means my own queues are less cluttered with old shows and endless Scandi-noir and misery porn as there's simply nothing else to enjoy.

Fortunately, review bombing as a phenomenon peaked around 2017 with Discovery and The Last Jedi. Pretty much everyone knows that RT audience scores are garbage. I'd be surprised if the streamers and networks put any stock in them at all. If they did, Disco wouldn't have got a third or fourth season, let alone a fifth.

Except we know The Last Jedi lost money for Disney despite it's billion dollar revenue, and led to a whole internal war at Lucasarts which eventually saw Faverou become the creative lead of all films in that division. They desperately and quickly rethemed the entirety of Galaxy's Edge after sinking tons of money into it, only for people to dislike it enough that Disney seemed to panic somewhat as a result. The Mandalorian suddenly gave them a second wind that factored into merch and secondary media sales enough for them to "fix" Star Wars to that sort of aim.

 

[eschaton]

Hmm...you're using review numbers as the basis for audience, and cite Disco's review numbers as decisive in this respect, yet you are strangely silent on the numbers for the other series. Let's have a look...

PRO S1 - 154. Barely a ripple of interest.

LDS S1 - 795
LS S2 - 250
LDS S3 - 90. I say again, 90! You are going on about how staggering it was that Disco S4 had 80% fewer reviews by S4, yet LDS has barely a tenth by S3!

SNW S1 - 1,092. Fewer than 100 more than Discovery's oh-so-paltry S4 number, and in S1 no less - at the time when interest would likely be at its peak.. Quite the "titan" you have there.


As to scores, the people who review shows on sites like this are such a tiny fraction of the audience that I doubt the powers that be care, especially for a show which is prone to review-bombing by the "anti-woke" types like Disco.

I'll also say just looking at site traffic Lower Decks and especially Prodigy never, ever have as much discussion as the live-action shows, even when they are actively airing. And when not on the air, discussion peters down to basically nothing.

 

[Tuskin38]

and led to a whole internal war at Lucasarts which eventually saw Faverou become the creative lead of all films in that division

No such thing happened and Faverau doesn't have a position at LucasFilm. Where are you hearing this bullshit?

Faverau's only role is showrunner/producer and writer on The Mandolorian and the Boba show, he doesn't have a position at LucasFilm. He has his own production company 'Golem Creations', which helped produce Mando and Boba with LucasFilm.

Except we know The Last Jedi lost money for Disney despite it's billion dollar revenue

Source?

Also I like how you conveniently ignored donners22's post about review numbers regarding the other Trek shows.

Federation worlds aren't all idylic and from what we've seen so far of M'talas Prime is pretty much a skeevy Bladerunner Dive

M'Talas Prime isn't a Federation world.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I'd say that would be an interesting idea. I mean we're kind of getting some of it now. Federation worlds aren't all idylic and from what we've seen so far of M'talas Prime is pretty much a skeevy Bladerunner Dive

I'm not gone on the constant "Bladerunner" planets that are the only places you can buy drugs in sci-fi.
It does look like Picard could be going down an interesting political route.

 

[Quinton]

No such thing happened and Faverau doesn't have a position at LucasFilm. Where are you hearing this bullshit?

I also heard Michelle Paradise threw a spear at Harberts and it struck his thigh so he ran away. And Ronald Moore tried to buy Star Trek for the fans in 2019 but Les Moonves (who loves to see it continue to fail) said no. And I heard that Sonequa Martin-Green is a liar and hates Discovery and she and Mary Wiseman fought all the time, oh and I heard that Peter Falk is still alive, and by the way, so is Napoleon, and he is not happy with his representation in modern media and is going to buy Paramount and turn it into Napoleonetwork, at which point Alex Kurtzman can kiss his a$$ goodbye because Napoleon is going to declare war on him, and

 

[gvn2fly]

Not sad about this and all. While Discovery had a few good characters, a good exterior ship design and a few other elements I liked. It was all over the place. I still cannot forgive them for making that incredibly stupid turbo lift interior scene...dear god what were they thinking????

They showed those horrible roller coaster turbolife visuals multiple times. I had actually blocked out the turbolife scene at the end of season 3. Just so bad.

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

No such thing happened and Faverau doesn't have a position at LucasFilm. Where are you hearing this bullshit?

Faverau's only role is showrunner/producer and writer on The Mandolorian and the Boba show, he doesn't have a position at LucasFilm. He has his own production company 'Golem Creations', which helped produce Mando and Boba with LucasFilm.

I got Filoni and Faverou mixed up as I hear those names together far too frequently.

Source?

Literally look up "Last Jedi box office failure". Why do I have to be your personal google? I was under the impression it was relatively common knowledge considering how quickly and hastily they rethemed everything in Galaxy's Edge, and the rapidity of finding toys in the bargin bins of stores. Do I need to cite a source with the statement "the sky is blue" also?

Also I like how you conveniently ignored donners22's post about review numbers regarding the other Trek shows.

He's right on the numbers, do I need to keep going on that point? I was unaware it was the rules to always reply to quoted posts.

M'Talas Prime isn't a Federation world.

...then why was there a statue to a Federation Captain unveiled outside of the Federation/Starfleet recruitment centre when they have strict rules about non-federation citizens enrolling?

 

[Tuskin38]

...then why was there a statue to a Federation Captain unveiled outside of the Federation/Starefleet recruitment centre when they have strict rules about non-federation citizens enrolling?

You've never heard of foreign recruitment?
Maybe it also doubled as a outreach centre, I don't know. Either way Terry said it wasn't a Federation world.

Literally look up "Last Jedi box office failure".

It made 800 million over it's budget, it wasn't a failure.

when they have strict rules about non-federation citizens enrolling?

And? Nog was able to enroll and he's not a Federation citizen.

 

[gvn2fly]

I'll also say just looking at site traffic Lower Decks and especially Prodigy never, ever have as much discussion as the live-action shows, even when they are actively airing. And when not on the air, discussion peters down to basically nothing.

Assuming Paramount +'s trending titles are its top 10 at any given time, which is what flixpatrol uses for its daily top 10 shows and movies, Prodigy is not in the top 10 when its airing and isn't typically even in the top of the children's category. Discovery is actually in the top 10 a lot, even months from airing new episodes - which is why I'm kind've surprised at its cancellation. From my not scientific observation when I open the app, Discovery seems to do better than the other shows.

From reading about Netflix and other streaming services over the years, viewership isn't the only metrics streaming services use. They are also looking at what shows get new users to subscribe. If its between Discovery (expensive show, users will stay subscribed due to other Trek shows) and another cheaper show that may get new subscribers, they'll go for the new subscribers.

Also, has been noted before - more than 5 seasons is rare in the streaming environment. It does seem like Paramount was going to go ahead with season 6 until recently, so I think Discovery was just a casualty of troubles at Paramount - and all streaming services really. When comparing costs to new subscribers coming in each season, it was not worth it for them to keep around. We also just don't know the contract situation - were casts due for higher salaries for season 6? If so, could be another factor.

 

[gvn2fly]

...then why was there a statue to a Federation Captain unveiled outside of the Federation/Starfleet recruitment centre when they have strict rules about non-federation citizens enrolling?

They did in the time of DS9...30 years ago or so. It doesn't mean they still have to have those same rules.

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

You've never heard of foreign recruitment?
Maybe it also doubled as a outreach centre, I don't know. Either way Terry said it wasn't a Federation world.

They had previously established rules which I cite down post.

It made 800 million over it's budget, it wasn't a failure.

Toy sales were dissapointing, it flopped in China and seemingly damaged the long term financial stability of the franchise with subsequent movie releases, both of which massively underperformed, and many planned projects were cancelled and shunted into TV shows. Solo had to have massive reshoots, and Kenobi changed into a TV show after major doubts about it happening hovered for a while.

Prior to TLJ Disney revealed plans for new Star Wars Movies every two years.

That was 6 years ago.

How did Nog enroll then?

He had a sponsor. Which was the rules. Non-federation people can be recruited into Starfleet on the reccomendation of comissioned officers of sufficient rank. He picked Sisko.

Now, if thats changed. Fair enough.

 

[gvn2fly]

Once the Discovery and Picard final seasons are released. How long will it take for the shows to go into syndication on comercial TV, such as H&I and Pluto TV if ever?
I'm sure, one way or another. They're going to try and get the most $ from them, low audience scores or not.
If that day ever comes. It would be nice to only then compare the ratings between all the various shows. Even if TOS has been aired since the late 60's.

Hard to say. It's even possible they are removed from P+ completely and licensed to another company, as HBOMax and Paramount have already started doing.

 

[Tuskin38]

I got Filoni and Faverou mixed up as I hear those names together far too frequently.

Still you're wrong about there being an 'internal war' at LucasFilm. Filoni was promoted to that position in mid 2020, completely unrelated to everything else you said.

Solo had to have massive reshoots,

That had nothing to do with TLJ. Kennedy didn't like what the current heads were doing with the story.

He had a sponsor. Which was the rules. Non-federation people can be recruited into Starfleet on the reccomendation of comissioned officers of sufficient rank. He picked Sisko.

and maybe they had officers like that in the centre who could evaluate protentional recruits.
Either way the point is moot, Terry said the planet wasn't a Federation world. Federation worlds wouldn't look like that either way.

 

[fireproof78]

Toy sales were dissapointing, it flopped in China and seemingly damaged the long term financial stability of the franchise with subsequent movie releases, both of which massively underperformed, and many planned projects were cancelled and shunted into TV shows. Solo had to have massive reshoots, and Kenobi changed into a TV show after major doubts about it happening hovered for a while.

Solo is what caused that, not TLJ.