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DC to REBOOT???

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/b...justice-league-and-other-series.html?emc=eta1
I predicted years ago the Superman marriage will never have happened.

Are the older comics being erased from existence?

Of course. DC has hired the same goons who broke down the front doors of all the Trek TOS fans and confiscated their DVDs right before Abrams's movie opened in 2009.

The Superman marriage never happened anyway, since the character is fictional.
 
@ A Breaker Full of Death...you aren't the only fan to predict or suggest that Lois and Clark's marriage would eventually end. There have been lot of others who have made the same suggestion.


As for Superman's new suit in the relaunch it hasn't been explained what it's made of or the purpose of it is for yet.
 
Superman's marriage lasted an amazingly long time by comic book standards.

Actually, it didn't do badly by real-world American standards. :lol:

And he'll be married again one day, almost certainly to Lois. You can make book on that. It's simply a question of how much attention they can attract with it.
 
Yeah, I've been assuming that they are starting the relationship over, not necessarily getting rid of it.
 
Actually I've never been entirely clear why Lana Lang didn't leave Smallville with him. I know the Byrne explanation (he had no actual romantic feelings for her, which is sort of bizarre, but at least makes sense). But this is one of the more constantly rebooted things about Superman, so I don't even know if they were together or not anymore.

The point is, the only two options that work for me is for there never to be a romantic relationship (which sort of undercuts the major value of the Lang character, and yeah I know that's about as misogynist a thing as I'm ever likely to say, but otherwise she's just Pete Ross with more name recognition and a bit less whitebread blandness, and additionally you have to ask the question "why not?"; I like the surrogate mommy panel transition Byrne did, though), or for Lang to kick him to the curb, which makes a lot more sense (i.e., "we can never have children. Never have more than this," and also "I plan on being a terrible, terrible mate given that I will spend large stretches of time in outer space, dying of kryptonite poisoning and Doomsday fists, and wandering around America being smug.")

But afaik they've never taken the latter tack, though I might be misremembering or merely be ignorant of more recent developments.
 
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That's all to the good. Make the whole thing more interesting. I think part of what they're aiming at is that nothing about these folks - or as little as possible - should be a foregone conclusion when you pick up a comic.
 
The Superman marriage never happened anyway, since the character is fictional.

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Seriously though, of course it is all fictional! Has anyone suggested otherwise? But that event happened to those fictional characters (multiple times, if you go back far enough) and those stories still exist (unless DC got their magical wands and made all previous comics disappear). :lol:
 
In the relaunch continuity some events happened still, others have been erased. They still haven't made things clear yet what is what.
 
Actually I've never been entirely clear why Lana Lang didn't leave Smallville with him. I know the Byrne explanation (he had no actual romantic feelings for her, which is sort of bizarre, but at least makes sense). But this is one of the more constantly rebooted things about Superman, so I don't even know if they were together or not anymore.

The point is, the only two options that work for me is for there never to be a romantic relationship (which sort of undercuts the major value of the Lang character, and yeah I know that's about as misogynist a thing as I'm ever likely to say, but otherwise she's just Pete Ross with more name recognition and a bit less whitebread blandness, and additionally you have to ask the question "why not?"; I like the surrogate mommy panel transition Byrne did, though), or for Lang to kick him to the curb, which makes a lot more sense (i.e., "we can never have children. Never have more than this," and also "I plan on being a terrible, terrible mate given that I will spend large stretches of time in outer space, dying of kryptonite poisoning and Doomsday fists, and wandering around America being smug.")

But afaik they've never taken the latter tack, though I might be misremembering or merely be ignorant of more recent developments.

Why can't it just be a normal teenage romance that ends as you grow older and grow apart? Clark was never Superman to Lana; she had no desire to be a part of who he was destined to be in any romantic sense.
 
Lana's never been over Clark in some of the comics. Besides which she kind of "died" when he was turned back into the Insect Queen in "Supergirl" where she was mentoring Kara. That relationship turned sour though after Kara found out that Lana was lying to her about something...can't recall what it is now.

It will be interesting to see if Lana appears in Morrison's Action Comics or not and what her status is in the relaunch. But yeah, I've always accepted her as Clark's first love and his first relationship later confidant.
 
In the relaunch continuity some events happened still, others have been erased. They still haven't made things clear yet what is what.
And why should they? Let the "history" unfold as part of the stories rather than some checklist in an article, interview or press release.
 
I never stated that they should make things clear, only that they haven't. They can decide how to do so through stories or press on their own.
 
I never stated that they should make things clear, only that they haven't. They can decide how to do so through stories or press on their own.
Not saying you did. Its just that there is a segement of fandom that needs the entire continuity mapped out prior to a single issue hitting the "stands". And thats no way to write a story.
 
^ Indeed. There seems to be an ever growing need to have things explained in story, or through media instead of letting the stories flow naturally. Probably something that has happened due to the increasing influence of the internet and all of these comic and entertainment news sites that need constant stories or interviews to keep themselves afloat. It is a fascinating thing that has evolved over the last few years. I still remember when I used to get all of my info from Wizard.
 
I figure if they find a cool storyline that plays off of say "Broken Bat", then they can reference the whole Bane thing as part of that. If not, why worry about it happening ( or not)
 
Actually I've never been entirely clear why Lana Lang didn't leave Smallville with him. I know the Byrne explanation (he had no actual romantic feelings for her, which is sort of bizarre, but at least makes sense). But this is one of the more constantly rebooted things about Superman, so I don't even know if they were together or not anymore.

The point is, the only two options that work for me is for there never to be a romantic relationship (which sort of undercuts the major value of the Lang character, and yeah I know that's about as misogynist a thing as I'm ever likely to say, but otherwise she's just Pete Ross with more name recognition and a bit less whitebread blandness, and additionally you have to ask the question "why not?"; I like the surrogate mommy panel transition Byrne did, though), or for Lang to kick him to the curb, which makes a lot more sense (i.e., "we can never have children. Never have more than this," and also "I plan on being a terrible, terrible mate given that I will spend large stretches of time in outer space, dying of kryptonite poisoning and Doomsday fists, and wandering around America being smug.")

But afaik they've never taken the latter tack, though I might be misremembering or merely be ignorant of more recent developments.

Why can't it just be a normal teenage romance that ends as you grow older and grow apart? Clark was never Superman to Lana; she had no desire to be a part of who he was destined to be in any romantic sense.

I dunno, in the Byrne continuity she was smitten with Clark, and the modern take on Superman has emphasized the identity of of Clark Kent and Superman.

Of course, going further back, she was smitten with Superboy, although perhaps less smitten than she was crazily obsessed with his secrecy and lies, before she became more recognizably smitten with Superman and expressed her love in the arguably even less healthy manner of punching Lois Lane in the face whenever the opportunity arose. But we can probably disregard pre-Crisis stuff, where everyone was an utter lunatic.

To answer your question, yeah, if you take two regular folks graduating high school, then even in the best case they're likely as not to grow apart as life takes them in different directions and distance and ambitions separate them. The thing is, this doesn't really apply to Clark Kent much, does it? Distance is essentially meaningless, and the ambitions Clark has aren't really incompatible with anything Lana might choose to do, unless you have her say, "No, this fundamentally sucks, I can't be happy like this. I need someone less important to the world than Superman, like the President."

And a worse case would undermine the nature of the characters. The human foibles that doom most romantic relationships would be difficult to apply. They can't really be written as fundamentally small, or petty, or shallow, or jerks, or stupid, or mean, or unfaithful, or annoying, or you lose something important.

P.S.: Poor Pete Ross. Then again, most of us have been, are, or will be second choices, if we really cared to scrutinize it. And placing just after a Kryptonian, hey, that's a Silver Medal worth bragging about.
P.P.S.: This has nothing to do with anything, but have you guys ever read the one where Superman explains to Supergirl, almost lamentably, that Kryptonian law forbids cousin marriage? It's hilarious. Aside from the obvious, it's also funny because 1)he's from a 1930s farming community, which are well-known for their blanket prohibition on consanguinous marriage and 2)he's the default executive, legislative, and judicial authority of Kryptonian civilization anyway, so it's a pretty stupid thing to appeal to.
 
I really liked the Post-Crisis version of the Lana and Clark relationship. High school sweathearts who eventually turn into just best friends (both having gotten over the other) to the point where she is good friends with Lois as well. I liked that. It was natural and realistic.

Didn't as much care for the revision happening after IC (which didn't seem to last too long), where Lana was still pining over Clark and caused a (seemingly intentional) wedge in Lois and Clark's relationship. "Lana Lang, Home-wrecker!" is a concept I don't like (though it did provide a good gag with Superboy trying to hit on Lana by explaining to her that he was cloned from Clark).

P.P.S.: This has nothing to do with anything, but have you guys ever read the one where Superman explains to Supergirl, almost lamentably, that Kryptonian law forbids cousin marriage? It's hilarious. Aside from the obvious, it's also funny because 1)he's from a 1930s farming community, which are well-known for their blanket prohibition on consanguinous marriage and 2)he's the default executive, legislative, and judicial authority of Kryptonian civilization anyway, so it's a pretty stupid thing to appeal to.

:lol:

What was the context on why that subject was brought up? Where they hanging out one day and Supes just mentions it to which Kara responds, "Uh....okay?" (which would suggest that Clark had some socially taboo thoughts on his mind). Or was Kara seriously considering wedding her cousin?

Either way, such an awkward conversation.
 
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