Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

[Brainsucker]

Nope. Rewatch the episode

It is inevitable that both war would cause a different result. Because it happened in different time.

Now, the example, what happen if World War 2 not started in 1939 and ended in 1945, but started in 1960 and ended in 1965?

1st. The intellectual actors / leadership in the war will definitely be different. At least from the western Alliance side. For example, the President of United States would be definitely a different person.

2nd The people who supposedly single and died in the original timeline of WW2 would survived, and maybe even have descendants. While in other hand, the people who supposedly alive after 1965 in the original timeline could died without any descendant in the 1960 World War 2.

3rd And about both wars had different intellectual actors / leaderships, what happen in the war can dramatically very different. Even if the result was the same.

So how could a universe with a Eugenic War that happen in 1992 and a universe with A Eugenic War that happen much-much later can be the same?

 

[fireproof78]

Destiny.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So how could a universe with a Eugenic War that happen in 1992 and a universe with A Eugenic War that happen much-much later can be the same?

I just saw a TV show that said they were. One event was pruned. One wasn't.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yes, it is.

in TOS, Eugenic War happen in 1992 - 1995, in SNW, Eugenic War happen much-much later. Even both war happen because of Khan, but the key actors in the war is definitely different. For example, the President of United States of America will be different. The victims of war also different. The change of date alone already capable to cause of massive butterfly effect, because the people who supposed to be died in TOS Eugenic War are different to the people will died in SNW Eugenic War.

So, it is impossible for TOS and SNW to have the same history, thus both of them happen in different universe / reality.

I meant the parts about Enterprise and First Contact

So how could a universe with a Eugenic War that happen in 1992 and a universe with A Eugenic War that happen much-much later can be the same?

I don't know, how do all the same people exist in the mirror universe as the prime?

 

[Yistaan]

Or she may be a very different person.

For example, Admiral Robert April. We all see that he's a different person from the Robert April of previous version of Star Trek. Well, it is understand-able, because the Eugenic War happen in a different time, then the victims could also be different.

For example, what happen if one of the original April's grandma was killed in SNW Eugenic War. Then his grandpa married an African Origin Female, who maybe the descendant of a person who should died in TOS version Eugenic War. Then, even if he has the same name of Robert April, and come from the same of April family, he can be a very different person from the original.

I have a simpler explanation for April that I posted earlier, will repost below. Basically TAS April is that 1 in a million rare documented instance of a white child being born to black parents, meaning he has the same black parents as SNW April.

The timeline change is pretty much a lifesaver for a lot of continuity issues. It just occurred to me that TAS April, improbably but not unrealistically, could basically have the same parents in his timeline as SNW April, and his appearance in TAS is the result of the extremely rare but documented instance of https://www.nbcnews.com/healthmain/white-baby-born-black-parents-1c6437718 that somehow happened to April's parents in the old 1990s Eugenics Wars timeline.

 

[Mudd]

Or she may be a very different person.

For example, Admiral Robert April. We all see that he's a different person from the Robert April of previous version of Star Trek. Well, it is understand-able, because the Eugenic War happen in a different time, then the victims could also be different.

For example, what happen if one of the original April's grandma was killed in SNW Eugenic War. Then his grandpa married an African Origin Female, who maybe the descendant of a person who should died in TOS version Eugenic War. Then, even if he has the same name of Robert April, and come from the same of April family, he can be a very different person from the original.

Seriously? How is he so different that people ought to twist themselves into pretzels to "explain" it?

 

[Brainsucker]

Seriously? How is he so different that people ought to twist themselves into pretzels to "explain" it?

But he's different, isn't he?

 

[Brainsucker]

I have a simpler explanation for April that I posted earlier, will repost below. Basically TAS April is that 1 in a million rare documented instance of a white child being born to black parents, meaning he has the same black parents as SNW April.

So when his mother give birth of him, the dice bring a different number, so the TAS April is basically get a jackpot, as he got a rare chance of becoming a white man from 2 black parents. While the SNW April just a child as usual? Like in our biology class where 2 black rabbits could give birth of 3 black rabbits and 1 white rabbits?

 

[Mudd]

So when his mother give birth of him, the dice bring a different number, so the TAS April is basically get a jackpot, as he got a rare chance of becoming a white man from 2 black parents. While the SNW April just a child as usual? Like in our biology class where 2 black rabbits could give birth of 3 black rabbits and 1 white rabbits?

Sorry, this is just a bizarre thing to fret about and try to "explain..."

Robert April was captain of the Enterprise before Pike, and he was married at some point. That's all that's been established about him and the SNW actor fits the part. He's the same guy.

 

[Brainsucker]

Sorry, this is just a bizarre thing to fret about and try to "explain..."

Basically in biology, we learnt about genes. If my memory serve right, they used rabbit as example. For example, 2 white fur rabbits will have 3 chance of having white rabbit and 1 chance of having black rabbit. 1 white fur rabbit and 1 black fur rabbits will have 3 chance of black fur rabbit kid or 1 chance white fur rabbit kid. Etc.

 

[Mudd]

Basically in biology, we learnt about genes. If my memory serve right, they used rabbit as example. For example, 2 white fur rabbits will have 3 chance of having white rabbit and 1 chance of having black rabbit. 1 white fur rabbit and 1 black fur rabbits will have 3 chance of black fur rabbit kid or 1 chance white fur rabbit kid. Etc.

Who cares?

Pine's eyes are a different color than Shatner's.

 

[James Cole]

For example, Admiral Robert April. We all see that he's a different person from the Robert April of previous version of Star Trek. Well, it is understand-able, because the Eugenic War happen in a different time, then the victims could also be different.

TAS April and SNW April could also be adopted...

 

[Mudd]

TAS April and SNW April could also be adopted...

Nope. It's just one Robert April in onscreen continuity. PeckSpock doesn't look like NimoySpock nor does SNWPike look like TOSPike. Why should SNWApril look like TASApril?

 

[Tallguy]

And he doesn't sound ANYTHING like James Doohan.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

So when his mother give birth of him, the dice bring a different number, so the TAS April is basically get a jackpot, as he got a rare chance of becoming a white man from 2 black parents.

This is a HORRIBLE way to phrase this thought.

 

[Mudd]

It's also based in a bizarrely simplistic misunderstanding of human genetics and what is represented by the cultural labeling of people as belonging to one or another "race."

 

[HotRod]

Giving a flying fuck that April is now played by a black actor is this fandom reaching rock bottom.

Who fucking cares!?

 

[The Wormhole]

The only notable difference between April in SNW vs April in TAS is that for some reason April has a higher rank in SNW than he had in TAS. And I'm more than content to simply ignore TAS and presume April is an Admiral now.

Besides, if I really wanted to start a pedantic and enraged frothing at the mouth about SNW not "respecting" my preconceived notions of April based on non-canon information available prior to SNW, I'm going to get a lot more passionate over the fact April isn't wearing a cardigan while on duty like he did in the novels than I am over the fact he's now black.

Seriously, I'm sure Adrian Holmes could totally rock a cardigan.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I'm fine with SNW April never wearing a cardigan over his uniform. That idea was always way too Mister Rogers for me.

(Don't get me wrong, I love Mister Rogers, but he'd make a horrible Starship Captain.)

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm fine with SNW April never wearing a cardigan over his uniform. That idea was always way too Mister Rogers for me.

(Don't get me wrong, I love Mister Rogers, but he'd make a horrible Starship Captain.)

With a starship, Mister Rogers could make everyone his neighbor.