Well, it's still connected. Make sure you watch The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Avengers, Age of Ultron and Civil War to understand the characters and references in this movie fully.
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Well, it's still connected. Make sure you watch The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Avengers, Age of Ultron and Civil War to understand the characters and references in this movie fully.
Sure, there are throwbacks to the other movies, but if you have Disney plus just watch the Marvel Legends episode. That'll bring you up to speed. It covers everything you would need to know for this movie. It covers her story pretty much entirely except for her non-romance with Banner, which is best left forgotten anyway.
I was originally considering not seeing this at all. Never saw the appeal of Scarlett Johansson. More importantly not a huge Marvel fan. So do not feel the need to see every one, But it’s been a while since I had seen anything in a theater... plus I had visiting family I wanted to escape!
I was pleasantly surprised and glad I went now. I have rewatched few of Marvel films this movie referenced. But it did not matter at all. I remembered enough of the broad strokes. One of the things I really liked was it felt like a self contained spy movie. Comparisons to a Bourne movie was another reason I was skeptical of seeing it. Not a fan of those. Did not see that at all.
This is totally more in the vain of old Bond films.Even though they showed Moonraker I was more reminded of Blofeld’s female Angels of Death in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. Not exactly the same. But using women to kill people throughout the world still.
Oh and even though I never heard of her before this - I think I am in love with Florence Pugh.
I was pleasantly surprised and glad I went now. I have rewatched few of Marvel films this movie referenced. But it did not matter at all. I remembered enough of the broad strokes. One of the things I really liked was it felt like a self contained spy movie. Comparisons to a Bourne movie was another reason I was skeptical of seeing it. Not a fan of those. Did not see that at all.
This is totally more in the vain of old Bond films.Even though they showed Moonraker I was more reminded of Blofeld’s female Angels of Death in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. Not exactly the same. But using women to kill people throughout the world still.
Oh and even though I never heard of her before this - I think I am in love with Florence Pugh.
Then I highly recommend watching her past work, including Little Women, Midsommar, and the 2018 version of King Lear starring Anthony Hopkins.
Pass then.
Ignore him. Take my advice posted below his. Even that isn't really necessary.
Yes, I was trying to make a joke that no matter what, they're all connected and you can go to extremes to "research" if you must.
But like said above, these aren't important plot points, they're easter eggs for people that know and for anyone that doesn't know, absolutely zero is lost. Do you HAVE to see every movie Senator Ross is in to know the very simple and easy to understand "Goverment guy hunting fugitive"? Unless you've never seen that type of character in a million other movies, okay, I guess it would help. But I'm hoping that's not the case. These are very straight forward movies that aren't even close to being as complicated as believed. They're designed for family entertainment. If my mom and my little nephew eat this stuff up with ease, "research" is certainly not required. Not even a little bit.
*rimshot*
No, but seriously. Easter eggs aren't important but still connect it to the whole. Why base a movie going experience on not understanding a background easter egg?
Because I like understanding. I have a very weird nature about understanding different bits and pieces and how they interact together. I don't watch a lot of movies for a reason.
That's cool, fair enough. I find it mostly interesting seeing this point of view on a Star Trek message board which is even more expansive than the MCU by a lot. (Not sure if you watch the shows, of course, but it is a Trek bbs). I'm not sure I can tell where the line is in deciding "this over here is too much, but that over there which is more complex, it's not too much". But that's obviously on me.
It's a fine line to be balance things out, and as I said earlier, the Marvel films (before I called it the MCU) did it well. Watching Thor, Iron Man and Captain America was, dare I say it, fun and then Avengers knocked it out of the park. But, then it went overboard and it felt no longer fun but trying to play a clever game of where will they go next. Thanos was just the start in Avengers and it was irritating how these little bread crumbs of information would pop up. It leaves you going "Wait, is this important? What about this?" And, that's not enjoyable any more.
Star Trek I am far more selective about. There are few times that I go "That seems important to another show" and I really try to sort that out. If the shows and films connect together than can be fun, but it isn't what makes it part of the story for me. The MCU feels like it is saying to look at the larger narrative rather than appreciating the actual work, the story being told, the characters going through things.
That is a sound observation about most of the MCU's structure.
Revisiting some older shows with my wife has made me more appreciative. I just don't mind as much watching two episodes, clicking it off and being done. It's more fun. Contrast that with watching The Witcher, or even Karate Kid and by the end it was just borderline tiresome. Even Daredevil, which I thoroughly loved, had moments were I was like "Come on, already!"
Solid B+ from me.
While I don't agree with all of a certain crotchety old filmmaker's take on the franchise, I do agree the the later films did start to feel like theme park rides. It was nice to see a return to the simplicity of the earlier films. I think Yelena is my new favorite character, for anything. On the flip-side, despite my longtime love of JLD I just can't stand Valentina. Fingernails and chalkboards. And I felt her presence completely spoiled an otherwise beautiful scene, ending on a sour note.
No reason. Asking for friend.
While I don't agree with all of a certain crotchety old filmmaker's take on the franchise, I do agree the the later films did start to feel like theme park rides. It was nice to see a return to the simplicity of the earlier films. I think Yelena is my new favorite character, for anything. On the flip-side, despite my longtime love of JLD I just can't stand Valentina. Fingernails and chalkboards. And I felt her presence completely spoiled an otherwise beautiful scene, ending on a sour note.
Did you raise similar concerns twelve years ago when all the promotional material was ScarJo literarily surrounded by six men (Only one of whom was a POC. (Unless you count the green guy.)) with her top zipped down?
No reason. Asking for friend.
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The celebration of the female backside is such a huge level of BS that I can't tolerate it any more.
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