Agreed. I love this scene, but there's just no way Clint gets through this without a single cut or laceration. Just as with any story with a fantastical setting, you adjust your suspension of disbelief and move on.
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Tell me what do you have against the character of Batman (or Robin or Batgirl for that matter?)
I noted armor--which the DECU Batman wears, and even then, he was not completely impervious to injury, as seen in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice in his fights against Superman and Luthor's henchmen. The same vulnerability applies to TV's Batwoman, also wearing a protective suit. If a person in a superhero film or TV show wearing a suit designed for protection can still be hurt, then a person with no armor or protective suit should not just get up and be fine from a fall of several stories. The very reason people are even talking about the Black Widow scene. Even in fantasy, there's some established sense of believability, hence the reason non-powered civilians are still seen injured or killed during the various battles often seen in this genre of movie.
Civilians can die.
Heroes cannot.
That's pretty much my film going experience since I was young. I have no objections nor need an explanation as to why unpowered heroes don't get hurt or hurt as bad. It just is. Suspension of disbelief.
Mileage, etc.
Heroes cannot.
That's pretty much my film going experience since I was young. I have no objections nor need an explanation as to why unpowered heroes don't get hurt or hurt as bad. It just is. Suspension of disbelief.
Mileage, etc.
Yes, but with the heavy use of CGI in action scenes these days it's a lot harder to suspend your disbelief. At least when they had stunt people you could buy that they survived. Nowadays we have heroes surviving things that clearly should have killed them or put them in hospital.
Indiana Jones never really felt over the top to me (I think that's PG-13?). Sure, there's the raft and the fridge and all of that. But you saw him getting hurt with every punch and actually getting tired as fights went on. They made sure to remind us that, despite all the craziness around him, he was still a human being capable of only so much.
You need a director that's aware of making things feel more grounded, even if they're not. That fall Black Widow took (for example) COULD have been done in a way that didn't seem so over the top and accomplish what the story needed. But instead, they shot it as we saw it.
(And I'm saying this as someone who really liked the movie! That's my only real sticking point with it all.)
You need a director that's aware of making things feel more grounded, even if they're not. That fall Black Widow took (for example) COULD have been done in a way that didn't seem so over the top and accomplish what the story needed. But instead, they shot it as we saw it.
(And I'm saying this as someone who really liked the movie! That's my only real sticking point with it all.)
There is that scene in Captain America the Winter Soldier where Cap jumps out of the elevator at the Triskelion. I was always able to buy that Cap's shield would save his life and protect his upper body, but the way he landed should have shattered his legs, super soldier serum or not.
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It’s a growing trend in films, not just superhero movies. In the original Die Hard, McClane got cut, bruised etc (even if a few stunts challenged the laws of physics), while by the fourth one he was walking off a descending fighter jet and deliberately shooting himself in the shoulder to...I can’t even remember why he did that, actually. And that was 14 years ago, movies have gotten even more outlandish since then.
Mileage. My suspension remains the same.
Thanks for bringing back up bad memories.....
There were a couple shots in the final action sequence where I thought Natasha and Yelena really looked like they were in front of a fake blue sky background. It's hard to explain. Hopefully I'll get a chance to watch the movie soon (because I liked it), then I'll be able to put my finger on that a little better.
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The whole "jump out of a speeding car onto the cement" thing is really annoying (even on the dirt it'll kill ya). When they did that in Die Hard 4, they truly crossed the line from McClane being a human being to literally super human. Even if the 2nd and 3rd films stretched his endurance pretty thin, he was still badly hurt at times. By the last two films, he was shaking off pretty much anything.
I can't stand car gets hit, rolls over multiple times and everyone in the car either walks away with minor bruises or dies immediately depending on plot needs.
Yep. Audiences--even when watching fantasy--know there are physical limits based on character traits or makeup, otherwise one may as well believe every costumed character is superpowered. There's no consistency: take Captain America in The Winter Soldier--this is a super soldier who received several blows to the face from the enhanced Bucky's metal arm, then falls into the Potomac River and has to be hospitalized, yet normal Black Widow falls several stories, hitting structures and just walks away.
One example was closer to a realistic outcome for a character, the other...no.
I think the "logic" is that if she can easily fall 1 story without issue, then falling 1 story 4 times in a row (each hit resetting her momentum) should also be possible. I can buy that fall being survivable if you don't hit your head, but not without internal injuries, several broken ribs at least.
Yeah, the way it was filmed, the fall was pretty brutal. It would have worked better, and been more in character if she had been actively trying to break the momentum of her fall on the way down.
Yeah, and that's all it took really. As it was, it looked like she broke her back 3 times before her final landing.
Cap has the Super serum so I have always been able to roll with most of his action. I am sometimes surprised just how much a beating Tony Starks armour could take. I mean they are made out of normal metal aren't they?
Only the first one from the cave is really bare bones. The sand dune crash should have killed him. Every later model probably has the equivalent of inertial dampeners and structural integrity fields.
So not a fan of the A-Team TV series eh?
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