Good to hear
I know he's been popping up in a trailer for something here recently (The inbetween possibly) so I was thinking he'd probably be busy on that. Glad to hear otherwise.
Arrow - The Final Season
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Good to hear
I know he's been popping up in a trailer for something here recently (The inbetween possibly) so I was thinking he'd probably be busy on that. Glad to hear otherwise.
Oh yes. Totally agreed. But in the last few episodes, even more so. His small emotions with Thea, and his expression of fear, love and anxiety during that hug with Thea at the near end of this episode........
So are there any multiseason actors who we haven't heard about making at least one appearance this season?
As much as I'd love to see Slade Wilson one more time, his arc ended I feel. I mean, sure, so did many others. But, he's still the most memoral villian from Arrow for me, maybe with Prometheus. So I'd like to just keep all of that where it is.
Double checked and technically Manu Bennett was only a regular for one season. It did remind of one fairly major cast member I can't believe I forgot, Echo Kallum. Any word on him?
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He's back this week: https://www.tvguide.com/galleries/arrow-season-8-episode-4-photos-curtis-returns/
Meh. Pretty underwhelming after the amazing cliffhanger last week. Weakest episode of the season so far.
I found this episode a little too soapy for my tastes. There was too much apologizing and angst. I did like Oliver getting closer to Mia at the end though, and his scenes with William were nice. I was hoping we would get more explanation of the whole time travel aspects though.
I thought it was nice to finally bring the present and future casts together and get the family stuff out in the open. Before, there was little sense of the connection between the two time periods and casts. With the flashbacks to Oliver's past, there was usually a clear sense of relevance -- this is what shaped Oliver or his enemies and laid the foundations for what they're doing now (although it resulted in the enormous contrivance that Oliver's present-day problems tended to correspond to whatever he was dealing with exactly 5 years earlier, in chronological order). Last season, the future stuff was pretty unconnected to the present and the only real payoff was discovering that Oliver and Felicity's journey was heading toward the birth of Mia. So it just didn't connect that well. Having everyone all together to hash it out in real time works much better.
Except it still bugs me that nobody's bringing up the disconnect between "The entire multiverse is in danger of being destroyed by the end of the year" and "This is what the future is like 21 years from now." The very fact that these guys can exist at all should prove that it's possible for the Crisis to be averted and thus for history to be changed, so it's weird that they were initially acting so certain that the future was already fixed. The show's own plotlines and the Crisis narrative aren't meshing that well, which is often a problem with big interseries crossovers.
I wish they'd established whether Dr. Schwartz survived the explosion at the hospital. There was a photo of her on the crime board at the precinct, which implies that she might have been killed. If that's the case, it's not much acknowledgment for the passing of a character who's been recurring since season 4.
Except it still bugs me that nobody's bringing up the disconnect between "The entire multiverse is in danger of being destroyed by the end of the year" and "This is what the future is like 21 years from now." The very fact that these guys can exist at all should prove that it's possible for the Crisis to be averted and thus for history to be changed, so it's weird that they were initially acting so certain that the future was already fixed. The show's own plotlines and the Crisis narrative aren't meshing that well, which is often a problem with big interseries crossovers.
I wish they'd established whether Dr. Schwartz survived the explosion at the hospital. There was a photo of her on the crime board at the precinct, which implies that she might have been killed. If that's the case, it's not much acknowledgment for the passing of a character who's been recurring since season 4.
Terrific episode, and I agree that it's great that they brought the past and future together finally. Hopefully they can make Star City a better place with this knowledge, especially if Rene is mayor.
I'm also glad they wasted no time revealing all the bad, like Zoe being murdered by JJ.
JJ is such a young child here, and there is absolutely time for John to make some corrections that may turn him into a better man.
Great point about how the existence of the future and the crisis seem inconsistent. They SHOULD question that.
Plus, there's also Barry existing in 2040 as well.
I'm also glad they wasted no time revealing all the bad, like Zoe being murdered by JJ.
JJ is such a young child here, and there is absolutely time for John to make some corrections that may turn him into a better man.
Great point about how the existence of the future and the crisis seem inconsistent. They SHOULD question that.
Plus, there's also Barry existing in 2040 as well.
I also found it strange that when Mia was complaining that daddy abandoned her to "play the hero", Ollie didn't counter with, "Well, the fate of the multiverse not to mention your life was at stake."
The future guys don't seem to know about the bullet they dodged with the Monitor/Crisis and given they are all children of the heroes that stopped it you would think they would have been "read in" on the disaster.
ETA: When did we find out Barry exists in 2040 or do we assume that since Ollie doesn't?
The future guys don't seem to know about the bullet they dodged with the Monitor/Crisis and given they are all children of the heroes that stopped it you would think they would have been "read in" on the disaster.
ETA: When did we find out Barry exists in 2040 or do we assume that since Ollie doesn't?
That may be factually true, but I think it was more important to acknowledge and respect her feelings. That's what a good father would do in that situation -- acknowledge and accept what she feels rather than get defensive about himself. He can explain his reasons later, but at that moment it was more important to listen and let her get it out.
I think the implicit idea here is that the Crisis is a change from the original history. The Flash has already made it explicit that it's moved up in time. Presumably the future they come from is the "original" one where Barry disappeared stopping the Crisis in 2024. Now that time has changed and the Crisis will happen differently and sooner, there's no guarantee Earth-1 will survive it.
I wonder if the Monitor is telling the truth about being able to restore Earth-2 or just stringing Laurel along. If it is possible to restore destroyed worlds, that makes it more likely that the multiverse could be restored at the end of CoIE, in contrast to the original comics (although in keeping with the various later comics that restored the multiverse).
Plus as you have said before Christopher, Barry and Oliver should be taking to each other about Crisis. Each have completely different perceptions of what will happen.
Barry thinks he needs to die to sacrifice himself to save everyone else. But seems to have no doubts he can do so. His concern is preparing his Team to continue without him.
While Oliver thinks saving the Multiverse is his burden alone. Also previous episodes have shown he is able to contact Sara on the Waverider. That should been the first person he tried to reach when people from the future show up with no explanations of how or why.
Barry thinks he needs to die to sacrifice himself to save everyone else. But seems to have no doubts he can do so. His concern is preparing his Team to continue without him.
While Oliver thinks saving the Multiverse is his burden alone. Also previous episodes have shown he is able to contact Sara on the Waverider. That should been the first person he tried to reach when people from the future show up with no explanations of how or why.
I actually liked the character moments, especially Dinah interacting with others, being a platonic emotional support. For me, it really solidifies TEAM Arrow.
I see this not questioning the future stuff is that the 2040 people have no idea of any kind of Crisis, so perhaps they will be erased or something if the Crisis happens.
One thing that that really annoyed me "Make STar City Great AGain" -- oh please. CAn't we be subtle and/o metaphorical? h, and one other thing... William coming out to Ollie...umm, did he ever act like that could be a problem? Especially with his friendship with Curtis? Seems like Ollie (or any DC Berlanti Show character) would be FAR MORE disappointed, sad or even disgusted if he said he was still a virgin.
On the last scene...I find myself thinking that the Monitor, at least today, the actually the anti-Monitor disguising himself. i really dont recall the Monitor in the original comic being so manipulative. I wonder how much of it is the anti-Monitor trying to set his own chess pieces...but using what they THINK they know against them... and the real Monitor being too distracted to actually monitor the anti-Monitor
I see this not questioning the future stuff is that the 2040 people have no idea of any kind of Crisis, so perhaps they will be erased or something if the Crisis happens.
One thing that that really annoyed me "Make STar City Great AGain" -- oh please. CAn't we be subtle and/o metaphorical? h, and one other thing... William coming out to Ollie...umm, did he ever act like that could be a problem? Especially with his friendship with Curtis? Seems like Ollie (or any DC Berlanti Show character) would be FAR MORE disappointed, sad or even disgusted if he said he was still a virgin.
On the last scene...I find myself thinking that the Monitor, at least today, the actually the anti-Monitor disguising himself. i really dont recall the Monitor in the original comic being so manipulative. I wonder how much of it is the anti-Monitor trying to set his own chess pieces...but using what they THINK they know against them... and the real Monitor being too distracted to actually monitor the anti-Monitor
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I really enjoyed getting the present and future casts together. It really gave us some great scenes for all of the characters. I was a little surprised the future characters all stayed in the present at the end, I expected at least some of them to end up back in the future by the end of the episode. I was happy they actually had Mia, William, and Connor tell the others about the future, and JJ and Zoe. I was afraid they going to spend their whole time in the present lying and sneaking around behind Oliver and co.'s backs, and that just annoys me after a while.
It was nice to get Curtis back, and I find it a little funny that he showed up a day or two after I asked if he was going to be back.
It was fun seeing the two groups of characters working together at the end.
I wonder if this means we'll get a scene of Ollie officially making Mia the new Green Arrow before Green Arrow and The Canaries starts?
I wonder if we'll get any kind of definite confirmation about whether or not they are able to change things in the future?
It was nice to get Curtis back, and I find it a little funny that he showed up a day or two after I asked if he was going to be back.
It was fun seeing the two groups of characters working together at the end.
I wonder if this means we'll get a scene of Ollie officially making Mia the new Green Arrow before Green Arrow and The Canaries starts?
I wonder if we'll get any kind of definite confirmation about whether or not they are able to change things in the future?
Yeah, that's what I've been wondering for a while now.
Same with the one who appeared in 'Supergirl'. And I'm guessing the one Wells is chasing over on 'The Flash'.
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