Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

[Marsden]

Can't we just be done with Ward? His stint as a baddie redeemed the character as a lead player in S1, but I'm perfectly fine with forgetting about him for a while...

I agree with this. 100% We could just leave him for season 4 or 5.

 

[timothy]

So who thinks coleson is drawings at the the end are plans for ultron?

 

[sojourner]

Pretty much no one.

 

[Forbin]

So who thinks coleson is drawings at the the end are plans for ultron?

Pretty much no one.

Yeah. Supposedly Stark designs Ultron, which annoys me enough. Poor Hank Pym.

 

[DEWLine]

So, Coulson's scribblings are probably Kree-inspired.

Betting that when he next "wakes up", Skye will point out the resemblance to the scribblings in that illicit lab from "Eye-Spy".

 

[Corran Horn]

Interesting if they try to tie into anything with GotG/Kree-wise - particularly since the film premieres two months before season 2 of the show will.

 

[Christopher]

I'm wondering why both Garrett and Coulson felt compelled to etch/carve the symbols rather than just drawing them.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Wondering about how the trials are going to work out. Ward's the highest-ranking member of that cell to survive being apprehended, right?

Also, witnesses needed for the convictions to stick. So, Coulson and company are going to have to show up to testify.

I certainly did not get the impression that there was going to be a trial.

However, assuming there is, it would probably be the non-SHIELD charge of the two LA cops that wouldn't need any of SHIELD to testify. Certainly, prosecuting under the authority of SHIELD would be questionable at best.

 

[ATimson]

So is Coulson part of the comics at this point?

A version of Phil Coulson was added to the Earth-616 Marvel Universe a year or two back, along with a bald, goateed, biracial son of Nick Fury who's adopted the name Nick Fury, Jr.

Another version of Coulson, voiced by Gregg but much less cool than the MCU version, exists in the universe of the current Marvel animated shows on Disney XD. So there are currently Coulsons in at least three realities.

Four. Gregg also plays him in Lego Marvel Super Heroes (which, Lego stylings aside, is strongly influenced by the MCU but not compatible with it).

 

[Corran Horn]

So is Coulson part of the comics at this point?

A version of Phil Coulson was added to the Earth-616 Marvel Universe a year or two back, along with a bald, goateed, biracial son of Nick Fury who's adopted the name Nick Fury, Jr.

Another version of Coulson, voiced by Gregg but much less cool than the MCU version, exists in the universe of the current Marvel animated shows on Disney XD. So there are currently Coulsons in at least three realities.

Four. Gregg also plays him in Lego Marvel Super Heroes (which, Lego stylings aside, is strongly influenced by the MCU but not compatible with it).

It's a hybrid of MCU and the Disney XD universes, it seems. (just like the LEGO license itself)

 

[Christopher]

I certainly did not get the impression that there was going to be a trial.

Why would you say that? We know from CA:TWS that there were Congressional investigations into the whole HYDRA debacle, so it's not like this is some kind of ultra-black-ops stuff anymore. Okay, they did say that Ward would be interrogated and imprisoned, but I'd like to think the Constitution hasn't totally been thrown out the window, because that would mean HYDRA won.

However, assuming there is, it would probably be the non-SHIELD charge of the two LA cops that wouldn't need any of SHIELD to testify.

A lot more than two. We just saw the two he shot out on the street after he'd dealt with the multiple cops in the diner off-camera.

Certainly, prosecuting under the authority of SHIELD would be questionable at best.

Huh? SHIELD would've had no authority to prosecute a criminal case even in its heyday. Presumably it would be a matter for the Justice Department.

Four. Gregg also plays him in Lego Marvel Super Heroes (which, Lego stylings aside, is strongly influenced by the MCU but not compatible with it).

Ahh, okay. Interesting -- I wonder if he's the only Marvel character to appear on screen in multiple continuities yet be portrayed only by a single actor (not counting parodies, overseas dubs, etc.).

Well, I can think of one other: The character Stan Lee has always been played by Stan Lee. Although Lee has played various other characters such as Narrator, Willie Lumpkin, Hot Dog Vendor, Security Guard, Old Man at Fair, etc.

 

[DEWLine]

Multiple aggravated assault counts re: his fight with the police in east Los Angeles. Possibly two attempted murder counts for the shootings we did see on-camera.

Add in conspiracy-murder for his role in Garrett's murder of that general. As to the other military officials illegally taken prisoner...six counts of kidnapping at least. Those surviving flag officers could testify to a hell of a lot. Not just against Ward, but Ian Quinn as well, once he's recaptured.

I think we have something for both Bob Ingersoll and the "Law and the Multiverse" blog to cover here, yes?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Multiple aggravated assault counts re: his fight with the police in east Los Angeles. Possibly two attempted murder counts for the shootings we did see
on-camera.

Why attempted? I guess I'd have to watch it again but it didn't seem to be in question.
EDIT: Watched it again, I guess they were OK, shot in the arm and leg, interesting...

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Why would you say that?

Okay, they did say that Ward would be interrogated and imprisoned,

That's why I said it. Coulson made it sound like he personally was going to hold onto him.

but I'd like to think the Constitution hasn't totally been thrown out the window, because that would mean HYDRA won.

Can't argue with that, but SHIELD has been consistently shown to be not subject to US law. I'm having trouble believing that being declared a terrorist organization would help with that.

A lot more than two. We just saw the two he shot out on the street after he'd dealt with the multiple cops in the diner off-camera.

Well, we didn't see how he dealt with the others, so I didn't want to definitively count them as dead.

Certainly, prosecuting under the authority of SHIELD would be questionable at best.

Huh? SHIELD would've had no authority to prosecute a criminal case even in its heyday. Presumably it would be a matter for the Justice Department.

I see no reason to presume that. SHIELD was shown to be a jurisdiction unto itself. It's not part of the US government so not subject to the DOJ. And it definitely brought people into their custody (e.g., bringing them to the Fridge, sending Blizzard to the Sandbox, etc.). Perhaps there was no legal authority even when SHIELD was semi-sanctioned. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or it operates in zones where there is no legal authority, or no legal authority with the stones to step up, or a legal authority that is willing to adjust to fit S.H.I.E.L.D.'s required criteria.

What's Castro's opinion (Yes, his brother Raul is in charge now, but Castro is still alive last I checked.) on the torture being done at Guantanamo Bay?

 

[The Old Mixer]

I certainly did not get the impression that there was going to be a trial.

Why would you say that? We know from CA:TWS that there were Congressional investigations into the whole HYDRA debacle, so it's not like this is some kind of ultra-black-ops stuff anymore. Okay, they did say that Ward would be interrogated and imprisoned, but I'd like to think the Constitution hasn't totally been thrown out the window, because that would mean HYDRA won.

But Coulson's team are being treated as terrorists by the U.S. government, so who are they turning him over to without turning themselves in? Do they leave him tied up on the steps of the FBI building and hope to hell the feds know what to do with him?

In their current situation, they seem to have little choice but to hold onto him.

 

[Christopher]

Why would you say that?

Okay, they did say that Ward would be interrogated and imprisoned,

That's why I said it. Coulson made it sound like he personally was going to hold onto him.

I thought Ward was being taken away by soldiers. If Coulson and Skye talked about what "we" would do, I assume they meant the US government.

Can't argue with that, but SHIELD has been consistently shown to be not subject to US law. I'm having trouble believing that being declared a terrorist organization would help with that.

But there is no SHIELD. SHIELD at this point is six people, a plane, and a guy with lanyards. They don't have the resources to deal with Ward, and Ward has committed many crimes on US soil and against US police officers and military personnel.

Well, we didn't see how he dealt with the others, so I didn't want to definitively count them as dead.

You only mentioned a charge pertaining to the cops, without specifying murder. Assault is a charge too.

Certainly, prosecuting under the authority of SHIELD would be questionable at best.

Huh? SHIELD would've had no authority to prosecute a criminal case even in its heyday. Presumably it would be a matter for the Justice Department.

I see no reason to presume that. SHIELD was shown to be a jurisdiction unto itself. It's not part of the US government so not subject to the DOJ. And it definitely brought people into their custody (e.g., bringing them to the Fridge, sending Blizzard to the Sandbox, etc.). Perhaps there was no legal authority even when SHIELD was semi-sanctioned. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt.

Okay, you're blurring two things here, prosecution and imprisonment. Clearly SHIELD imprisoned those people, but that doesn't mean they tried and sentenced them. It means they were holding them indefinitely as threats to national/global security. I don't think they prosecuted them at all. Not that I approve of that ethically, but I'm just saying, if the people in question were to be prosecuted, i.e. put on trial in a court of law, I don't think that would be the jurisdiction of a military/intelligence agency.

But Coulson's team are being treated as terrorists by the U.S. government, so who are they turning him over to without turning themselves in? Do they leave him tied up on the steps of the FBI building and hope to hell the feds know what to do with him?

In their current situation, they seem to have little choice but to hold onto him.

The situation's a little more nuanced than that. It's not as if every SHIELD agent has been thrown in jail -- we saw that wasn't the case with Black Widow and Maria Hill. Rather, they wanted everyone to come in for questioning and investigation. Coulson and his team evaded that because they had an imminent threat to deal with and couldn't afford to be out of action. Now that threat is resolved, and Coulson's team clearly saved the day, so I think that will count in their favor in the government's investigation.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

Hayley Atwell answers some questions about Agent Carter and reveals that the first season order is for eight episodes:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiT0tvfvC6Q[/yt]

 

[Mr. Adventure]

After hearing it was going to air between Agents of Shield I had wondered if it would have a short order.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

After hearing it was going to air between Agents of Shield I had wondered if it would have a short order.

Well, we always knew it would have less than 22, but I'm surprised it's quite that low.