Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread
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So, it's safe to assume next season the show will still be called Agents Of SHIELD.
And I'm going to assume that the show will start off with 5 main characters: Coulson, May, Skye, Simmons, and Triplett. We'll see how much Koenig shows up. He may be the type of character that shows up real briefly in most episodes. Sort of like Jarvis in issues of Iron Man or Avengers.
2 big questions marks:
-Ward? We obviously haven't seen the last of him. He'll be back, but in what capacity? A crazed villain with no one to lead him? A friend who helps?
-Fitz? If they wanted to kill him off, he'd be dead. So they'll bring him back. Though we may have to wait a few episodes before he's really back. Season II: The Search For Fitz. Or at least the search for Fitz's brain. I have a feeling Fitz is going to be a very big part of Season 2.
We had 2 huge mysteries in season 1: what's up with Coulson and what's up with Skye. It seems like we got a most of the answers with Coulson, thogh there are obviously still mysteries going on in his head. But it seems like the mystery of Skye will play a big part in Season 2. Perhaps season 2 will be about the mysteries of Skye and Fitz.
Or maybe Fitz will pop up in the season premiere and be just fine.
And I'm going to assume that the show will start off with 5 main characters: Coulson, May, Skye, Simmons, and Triplett. We'll see how much Koenig shows up. He may be the type of character that shows up real briefly in most episodes. Sort of like Jarvis in issues of Iron Man or Avengers.
2 big questions marks:
-Ward? We obviously haven't seen the last of him. He'll be back, but in what capacity? A crazed villain with no one to lead him? A friend who helps?
-Fitz? If they wanted to kill him off, he'd be dead. So they'll bring him back. Though we may have to wait a few episodes before he's really back. Season II: The Search For Fitz. Or at least the search for Fitz's brain. I have a feeling Fitz is going to be a very big part of Season 2.
We had 2 huge mysteries in season 1: what's up with Coulson and what's up with Skye. It seems like we got a most of the answers with Coulson, thogh there are obviously still mysteries going on in his head. But it seems like the mystery of Skye will play a big part in Season 2. Perhaps season 2 will be about the mysteries of Skye and Fitz.
Or maybe Fitz will pop up in the season premiere and be just fine.
They're probably still filling in all the holes Bill Paxton gnawed into the scenery.
Pretty fun finale and opened up a lot of options for future storylines.
So is Coulson part of the comics at this point?
Pretty fun finale and opened up a lot of options for future storylines.
So is Coulson part of the comics at this point?
Ha ha, he sure did chew it up! Typical Whedon exit.
I kept trying to figure out what Marvel character was Paxton becoming 
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.Darth Vader
I kept trying to figure out what Marvel character was Paxton becoming
Garrett was the telepathic cyborg from Elektra Assassin... So really, he had always been becoming himself.
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/051811_elektra_garrett.jpg
Discovered this, my comics ignorance showing:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Jonathan_Garrett_(Earth-616)
http://marvel.wikia.com/Jonathan_Garrett_(Earth-616)
However, Garrett has never been a villain in the comics.
^^^ Yeah, I thought that was what happened, too. Very confusing.
Also -- it was very, very odd that we never saw Fitz again after Fury plucked them out of the water. Usually, at the end of a show (especially a season finale) we'd at least get a brief glimpse of an injured team member in their hospital bed...but there was no cutting to him at all, just people mentioning him. Weird.
Also -- it was very, very odd that we never saw Fitz again after Fury plucked them out of the water. Usually, at the end of a show (especially a season finale) we'd at least get a brief glimpse of an injured team member in their hospital bed...but there was no cutting to him at all, just people mentioning him. Weird.
IIRC, you can see the "body bag" and the corpses of the people who were carrying it in the same room as he is, so he probably woke up and attacked them.
That makes a little more sense, though it was still pretty poorly done. Other than that I thought the whole thing was pretty good. I laughed at the ridiculous of Fury being there in a helicopter as Fitz and Simmons surfaced on the ocean, but it turned into a laugh of awesomeness as I kind of just accepted this is a comic book on screen, roll with the crazy punches.
Lots of great moments and lines here. I loved the Fury/Coulson banter and their confrontation with Garrett. "So this whole Hydra obsession is because you misheard my motivational speech?" 
Also the return of the Loki-zapping gun from The Avengers, and the callback line, "I know what it does."
And I loved Skye's "Oh, I have a much better weapon than any bomb" -- and May's explosive entry afterward. I really like it that Grant didn't have some corny redemption beat. I mean, normally I like seeing characters redeem themselves for their wrongdoing, but it doesn't seem believable here, and it would've felt like just pandering to the wishful thinking of the people who are still in denial about Ward. It was nicely subtle writing to have him be at odds with the bad guy but not automatically defect to the good guys. He thought Garrett was crazy, protested what was going on, but he still just followed orders anyway. He's not ready to become a good guy yet, if he ever will be. He only has two things in him: The need to be pointed at a target and the desire to have Skye. So when Garrett offered him both, he followed the order despite his misgivings.
The Fitz/Simmons part didn't work so well for me. They tried to acknowledge the effects of the high pressure at that depth, but I think they understated it a bit. And Fury said Fitz's brain had been without oxygen for "a long time" when on screen it seemed to be less than a minute. Still, seeing Fury reach down to take Jemma's hand was one of the best entrances ever.
And man, Mike/Deathlok had a pretty classic superhero-origin bit there at the end, didn't he? "I must atone for what I've done and I can't be with my family until I have." Spinoff, anyone? Webisode series? Tie-in comic?
A version of Phil Coulson was added to the Earth-616 Marvel Universe a year or two back, along with a bald, goateed, biracial son of Nick Fury who's adopted the name Nick Fury, Jr.
Another version of Coulson, voiced by Gregg but much less cool than the MCU version, exists in the universe of the current Marvel animated shows on Disney XD. So there are currently Coulsons in at least three realities.
Also the return of the Loki-zapping gun from The Avengers, and the callback line, "I know what it does."And I loved Skye's "Oh, I have a much better weapon than any bomb" -- and May's explosive entry afterward. I really like it that Grant didn't have some corny redemption beat. I mean, normally I like seeing characters redeem themselves for their wrongdoing, but it doesn't seem believable here, and it would've felt like just pandering to the wishful thinking of the people who are still in denial about Ward. It was nicely subtle writing to have him be at odds with the bad guy but not automatically defect to the good guys. He thought Garrett was crazy, protested what was going on, but he still just followed orders anyway. He's not ready to become a good guy yet, if he ever will be. He only has two things in him: The need to be pointed at a target and the desire to have Skye. So when Garrett offered him both, he followed the order despite his misgivings.
The Fitz/Simmons part didn't work so well for me. They tried to acknowledge the effects of the high pressure at that depth, but I think they understated it a bit. And Fury said Fitz's brain had been without oxygen for "a long time" when on screen it seemed to be less than a minute. Still, seeing Fury reach down to take Jemma's hand was one of the best entrances ever.
And man, Mike/Deathlok had a pretty classic superhero-origin bit there at the end, didn't he? "I must atone for what I've done and I can't be with my family until I have." Spinoff, anyone? Webisode series? Tie-in comic?
A version of Phil Coulson was added to the Earth-616 Marvel Universe a year or two back, along with a bald, goateed, biracial son of Nick Fury who's adopted the name Nick Fury, Jr.
Another version of Coulson, voiced by Gregg but much less cool than the MCU version, exists in the universe of the current Marvel animated shows on Disney XD. So there are currently Coulsons in at least three realities.
Here's an idea....Fitz's brain...in a monkey....
Caught up on this show pretty much just in time to catch the finale. Not too bad. I'd rather the Whedon production apparatus was doing stuff other than Marvel adaptations but what can ya do.
Anyway, clearly what they're building to with Fitz is that he wakes up in season 2 to a world where the black guy is banging Simmons. Then he can become a Friendzone Supervillain and join up with the boring white guy who went all evil lackey.
Anyway, clearly what they're building to with Fitz is that he wakes up in season 2 to a world where the black guy is banging Simmons. Then he can become a Friendzone Supervillain and join up with the boring white guy who went all evil lackey.
Actually we don't know how long after being plucked out of the water it was before medics might have gotten Fitz breathing/heart pumping again. Wasn't there some mention of "6 minutes"?
Wow, I really enjoyed that.
Please tell me I'm not the only one who wants a Phil Coulson/Nick Fury buddy comedy now.
I loved Garrett's death. They way they did that was perfect IMO.
I do agree that it is a little weird that we never saw Fitz again after they escaped from the cell thing. I was kind of surprised they didn't have him with Simmons at the end there. They seemed to leave him a possible out, so I'm wondering if Ian De Caestecker isn't sure he want's to come back?
When the new Koenig was referring to us, was he just referring to the team, or are could there be other people there?
Loved Fury's role overall. I was honestly just expecting a small cameo at the very end, so I was surprised to see him actually play a role in so much of the episode.
I do agree that May's entrance for the fight with Ward was great.
Honestly, at this point I kind of hope they don't try to redeem Ward. IMO he's just crossed too many lines for them to accept him back into the group.
I wonder if the end of Mike's storyline here means that he will be popping from time to time whenever the team needs super powered backup? I've been a big fan of J. August Richards since Angel, so I really hope this isn't the last we've seen of him.
Please tell me I'm not the only one who wants a Phil Coulson/Nick Fury buddy comedy now.
I loved Garrett's death. They way they did that was perfect IMO.
I do agree that it is a little weird that we never saw Fitz again after they escaped from the cell thing. I was kind of surprised they didn't have him with Simmons at the end there. They seemed to leave him a possible out, so I'm wondering if Ian De Caestecker isn't sure he want's to come back?
When the new Koenig was referring to us, was he just referring to the team, or are could there be other people there?
Loved Fury's role overall. I was honestly just expecting a small cameo at the very end, so I was surprised to see him actually play a role in so much of the episode.
I do agree that May's entrance for the fight with Ward was great.
Honestly, at this point I kind of hope they don't try to redeem Ward. IMO he's just crossed too many lines for them to accept him back into the group.
I wonder if the end of Mike's storyline here means that he will be popping from time to time whenever the team needs super powered backup? I've been a big fan of J. August Richards since Angel, so I really hope this isn't the last we've seen of him.
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