Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

[JD]

I really enjoyed this episode. Random thoughts:
The stuff with Ward and Fitz was fun.
I'm also wondering if May was somehow involved with Baby Sky.
I liked the scene with Coulson and May's "talk".
I think Hand knew that Coulson and the rest of the team would go rescue Fitz and Ward. Her little smirk seemed to me to be her thinking that everything was going according to her plan.
We learned some interesting new things about Skye.
I'm startig to wonder if the references to Tahiti being a magical place are some kind of a programed response. He almost looked confused when he said it in this one, like he just realized that he always says it whenever anyone refers to Tahiti, or what happened to him.

 

[Yanks]

The only thing I didn't really like about this episode was that there were absolutely no repercussions to Jemma shooting Sitwell. You would think there would at least be a stern talking-to.

Otherwise, it was wonderful, as usual. The plot was merely a framework on which to hang all the character interactions. Ward and Fitz bonding (yes, pun intended), Jemma freaking out over Fitz, Sky leading Jemma astray, Coulson's "talk" with May, Coulson reading Sky the riot act over accessing classified data, Coulson reading Hand the riot act for not sharing classified data, and Coulson coming through on his promise to Sky-- somewhat.

It's a shame the ratings continue to erode. We may not get a second season. But at least we'll get one good DVD set out of it, I guess.

So true about no repercussions. I'm getting the feeling these guys can just do anything, say they're sorry and we move on to the next episode.

May still steels the show every episode.

Fitz is picking up a bit of guile there, isn't he?

Why wouldn't he? Not every scientist/engineer has to be a whimsical, afraid, weak or squeamish person who when presented with a tight spot will automatically freeze up and needs rescuing by the big guys.

In that regard i really liked the episode because Fitz actually rocked.. he's no Ward and he'll never be but he held his own and used his assets to earn the respect of the big guy (and i'd really like to see a team up again with this new dynamic).

I agree. I'm much more a "Fitz fan" now.

Is it me, or is Jemma very difficult to understand? Is it the way they are cutting her voice in? Messing with it?

 

[Christopher]

Is it me, or is Jemma very difficult to understand? Is it the way they are cutting her voice in? Messing with it?

No, she just talks very fast with a foreign accent.

 

[DEWLine]

Well, we're not told where the MCU version of the Hub is, but Marvel's willing to share floor plans from the episode:

http://marvel.com/images/gallery/st...nights_marvels_agents_of_shield./image/965874

 

[Photoman15]

That's nice. SHIELD uses LCARS in their installations.

 

[DEWLine]

Well, they do share an user interface designer in Mr. Mandel, or so I'm hearing.

 

[Immolatus]

Would you call Wikileaks a terrorist organisation?

Should Edward Snowden be shot for Terrorism?

Just trying to imagine Skye dressed up as Madame Hydra.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/165/0/9/madame_hydra_by_mr_sinister2048-d690sjo.jpg

http://www.miracole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/6120914024_32db39d9d1_b.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14wycyq.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130625122949/injusticefanon/images/8/89/Madame_hydra.jpg

You know I forgot all about Madame Hydra. Do you think we'll see Hydra at all?

 

[Silvercrest]

I'm startig to wonder if the references to Tahiti being a magical place are some kind of a programed response.

Almost certainly. People have been back and forth as to whether that line is a programmed response or a running joke, but it's pretty clear now.

You know, if Coulson ever actually goes to Tahiti, it will be a real letdown!

 

[RJDiogenes]

Interesting review Chris Lough posted on tor.com for "The Hub". Might be onto Something there.

That's a great review. I'm glad somebody out there appreciates this show for what it is.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Would you call Wikileaks a terrorist organisation?

Should Edward Snowden be shot for Terrorism?

Just trying to imagine Skye dressed up as Madame Hydra.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/165/0/9/madame_hydra_by_mr_sinister2048-d690sjo.jpg

http://www.miracole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/6120914024_32db39d9d1_b.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/14wycyq.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130625122949/injusticefanon/images/8/89/Madame_hydra.jpg

You know I forgot all about Madame Hydra. Do you think we'll see Hydra at all?

I think, if the show were to continue for a significant period of time, we almost certainly would. Whether it actually would is a different matter. We're not sure who the Girl in the Flower Dress and the BBQ Doctor work(ed) for, so it very well could be Hydra or AIM (in the comics those two things are connected, but that's not as likely to be the case here).

 

[Christopher]

so it very well could be Hydra or AIM (in the comics those two things are connected, but that's not as likely to be the case here).

Why not? The MCU is all about interconnection. The Hulk's origin is tied to Erskine's supersoldier serum. HYDRA got its advanced technology from an Asgardian artifact, the Tesseract. SHIELD was developing weapons based on that same HYDRA tech as well as studying the Tesseract. And we've already seen in the pilot of this show that the "Centipede" tech is a spinoff of Extremis, Chitauri tech, and gamma radiation. The developers of the franchise like to give things common origins, to limit the number of root causes for the exotic aspects of the MCU. So it would be entirely in keeping with that to reveal that Killian's AIM was an offshoot or descendant of HYDRA.

 

[Fist McStrongpunch]

I'm just hoping that now that AIM has been outed as a Cabal of Evil Science that they all decide to put on beekeeper suits.

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

Imagine this. It's the last ep of the season. The Girl in the Flowered Dress is talking to some flunky explaining what's going on or is being put into motion.

After the establishing shot we see nothing of her as the camera focuses on the flunky, and short cuts of the dress falling to the floor, the shoes being kicked off, and a wig and mask being dropped on a chair.

Then after she gives her last order we cut back to her and the flunky responds ...

As you order, Madame Hydra, Hail Hydra!!

I know that Viper was in the awful Wolverine movie, but we can probably work something out. After all Hydra is more of a Cap/ SHIELD enemy than X-men.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

so it very well could be Hydra or AIM (in the comics those two things are connected, but that's not as likely to be the case here).

Why not? The MCU is all about interconnection. The Hulk's origin is tied to Erskine's supersoldier serum. HYDRA got its advanced technology from an Asgardian artifact, the Tesseract. SHIELD was developing weapons based on that same HYDRA tech as well as studying the Tesseract. And we've already seen in the pilot of this show that the "Centipede" tech is a spinoff of Extremis, Chitauri tech, and gamma radiation. The developers of the franchise like to give things common origins, to limit the number of root causes for the exotic aspects of the MCU. So it would be entirely in keeping with that to reveal that Killian's AIM was an offshoot or descendant of HYDRA.

Sure, it's possible. The impression I got from Iron Man 3 was that Killian created AIM himself. Could he be a Neo-Hydra? Sure, of course he could. I just didn't get that impression.

 

[Christopher]

I'm just hoping that now that AIM has been outed as a Cabal of Evil Science that they all decide to put on beekeeper suits.

The people who captured the pyrokinetic magician in "The Girl in the Flower Dress" were wearing fire-protection suits that may conceivably have been a nod to the AIM costumes of the comics.

Sure, it's possible. The impression I got from Iron Man 3 was that Killian created AIM himself. Could he be a Neo-Hydra? Sure, of course he could. I just didn't get that impression.

Two words: The Mandarin. The movies have overturned our impressions before.

 

[DEWLine]

I'll accept that Killian co-opted the Ten Rings iconography for his own purposes once he learned of their existence. But it won't surprise me to find that Cinema'Verse AIM is Killian's own creation that's simply managed to outlive him without a HYDRA connection.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I found this quote from Anthony Hopkins amusing, "I think they would have to explain in 'Thor 3,' if there is one, what happens to Odin. Or maybe it’ll just be a story line, maybe he went to Tahiti or something for a holiday. I don’t know."

 

[Gryffindorian]

Imagine this. It's the last ep of the season. The Girl in the Flowered Dress is talking to some flunky explaining what's going on or is being put into motion.

After the establishing shot we see nothing of her as the camera focuses on the flunky, and short cuts of the dress falling to the floor, the shoes being kicked off, and a wig and mask being dropped on a chair.

Then after she gives her last order we cut back to her and the flunky responds ...

As you order, Madame Hydra, Hail Hydra!!

I know that Viper was in the awful Wolverine movie, but we can probably work something out. After all Hydra is more of a Cap/ SHIELD enemy than X-men.

Don't spoil for us, Mr. Jed Whedon.

 

[Christopher]

But it won't surprise me to find that Cinema'Verse AIM is Killian's own creation that's simply managed to outlive him without a HYDRA connection.

Maybe, but it wouldn't surprise me if they revealed that Killian was working for the Red Skull all along. I mean, it would hardly be a shocker for the Skull to turn up alive in the present day, considering he's done so in the comics and most animated adaptations.

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

Also the effect used for the Skull's death in CA:TFA looked an awful lot like the one used for Bifrost.

And, Gryffindorian, I'm not Jed, but I'd be pleased as punch to have that guess turn out to be right.