Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

[Nerys Myk]

He is a God. His strength comes from magic. The mythological world is rampant with demigods who's mothers managed to have sex with gods and not die.

One more time: That's the comics. It's not the case in the movie/TV universe that we're discussing. The MCU Thor is an alien, not a god. Odin explicitly said in The Dark World that Asgardians are not gods.

We're bouncing back and forth between the comics and the TV/Movie universes,discussing characters who have yet to appear in the MCU and sharing when we first met certain characters.

Any how, the point still remains. The "mythological" world is rampant with "demigods" who's mothers managed to have sex with [Aliens who have been mistaken for ] gods and not die.

 

[Christopher]

Yes, of course it's true that gods have mated with mortals. But that doesn't answer the question about the movies' Thor, which is my point. It explains it in a different context, but if MCU Thor is, like Superman, a superstrong alien, then the issue of whether he and Jane could safely become intimate remains unresolved.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, of course it's true that gods have mated with mortals. But that doesn't answer the question about the movies' Thor, which is my point. It explains it in a different context, but if MCU Thor is, like Superman, a superstrong alien, then the issue of whether he and Jane could safely become intimate remains unresolved.

Was it a question about the movies' Thor or Thor in general? It was part of a thread drift about several non movie characters.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Last time I checked Thor's mum was Geia.

The living soul of planet Earth.

That's a lot of non Asgardian magic in his dna.

(Regular Asgardians can only lift/press 35 tons.)

Has Jane tired to pick up the hammer?

She spent years with her soul merged with Sif.

A little worthiness had to have rubbed off while they were tangled up.

If Jane can pick up the hammer, then she's strong enough to take what Thor can deliver.

 

[Christopher]

Was it a question about the movies' Thor or Thor in general? It was part of a thread drift about several non movie characters.

The point is, even if the discussion is about Thor in general, movie Thor is still part of the discussion, and it's a part that isn't in any way addressed by the "Thor is a god" line. So that's not a comprehensive enough answer because it only answers for one version of Thor, not all of them. It's incomplete.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Was it a question about the movies' Thor or Thor in general? It was part of a thread drift about several non movie characters.

The point is, even if the discussion is about Thor in general, movie Thor is still part of the discussion, and it's a part that isn't in any way addressed by the "Thor is a god" line. So that's not a comprehensive enough answer because it only answers for one version of Thor, not all of them. It's incomplete.

Being a God or even a "God" is answer enough.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Are the Eternals gods? Becuase if they are, then so is (squint) Apocalypse.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Are the Eternals gods? Becuase if they are, then so is (squint) Apocalypse.

They're faux gods. The results of aliens tinkering with human DNA. Dumb humans kept thinking they were gods and pissing off the real ones. Of course taking names like Thena and Makkarri didn't help.

 

[Christopher]

Being a God or even a "God" is answer enough.

Maybe for you, but not for me, and not for a lot of other people. And the rest of us are entitled to keep asking questions.

Which pretty much encapsulates the whole religion-vs.-science thing right there, doesn't it?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Being a God or even a "God" is answer enough.

Maybe for you, but not for me, and not for a lot of other people. And the rest of us are entitled to keep asking questions.

Which pretty much encapsulates the whole religion-vs.-science thing right there, doesn't it?

Since we're talking about a fictional God or a fictional alien, I'm not so sure.

The question asked cannot really be answered by "us". Only those in charge of the fictional future of Thor will answer it, if they chose. At best we can speculate. My speculation is based on the "fact" that Gods/"Gods" and humans have had sex and produced off spring without the death of the human partner.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Surely the criteria for being a god is not age, origin or power, but whether or not mortals worship you.

It's just that easy.

Any of us could be gods with only a few small changes to our daily habits.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Was it a question about the movies' Thor or Thor in general? It was part of a thread drift about several non movie characters.

The point is, even if the discussion is about Thor in general, movie Thor is still part of the discussion, and it's a part that isn't in any way addressed by the "Thor is a god" line. So that's not a comprehensive enough answer because it only answers for one version of Thor, not all of them. It's incomplete.

Even if we just go with Thor being an alien, that doesn't mean he has exceptionally strong sex (a sentence I didn't think I'd right). Especially since they are aliens that inspired the Norse mythology, so they would likely mirror that, at least in their interaction with humans (that being said, I don't know if Norse gods had sex with people).

On the other hand, since this is an Agents of Shield thread, I kind of got an impression that the Asgardian Berserker did have sex with humans, so there you go.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Surely the criteria for being a god is not age, origin or power, but whether or not mortals worship you.

It's just that easy.

Any of us could be gods with only a few small changes to our daily habits.

Sounds like the start of a career as an inspirational speaker.

 

[Guy Gardener]

One of Spikes best Lines.

Spike to Adam: "You're like Tony Robbins ... If he was a big scary Frankenstein looking ... You're exactly like Tony Robbins."

 

[Luminus]

^Just read this:

http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html

The problem is this. Electroencephalograms taken of men and women during sexual intercourse show that orgasm resembles "a kind of pleasurable epileptic attack." One loses control over one's muscles.

Superman has been known to leave his fingerprints in steel and in hardened concrete, accidentally. What would he do to the woman in his arms during what amounts to an epileptic fit?​

I'm still reading it, but yeah; exactly.

 

[Luminus]

It's a joke, dammit, and one which does not get funnier the more often and vigorously it is used as an argument.

Good grief, why so serious? Yes, it was written with light-hearted intent, but we're discussing a comic-book character, so our intent should be equally light-hearted. It's all just an intellectual exercise about imaginary ideas for recreational purposes.

I was light-hearted about it. The first time I even laughed about it.

Then I sat through the first seven seasons of "Smallville", where Millar & Gough only allowed Clark to have sex when he's depowered or Lana got powers. And that's just the most common example of writers actually using the Niven piece as canon.

Basically, when people in charge thinking "Superman shouldn't have sex" used this joke as a "legitimate reason" why "Superman can't have sex", it got serious for me.

JMS at least had Clark simply not knowing what would happen and therefore being hesitant to take any risk.

Lois Lane dies, if she gets pregnant by Superman. It's already happened in the comics. Waverider, the time guy, visits one of Superman's possible futures in search of Monarch and discovers this.

The Adventures of Superman Annual #3

 

[Luminus]

Was it a question about the movies' Thor or Thor in general? It was part of a thread drift about several non movie characters.

Thor is not a God. We've been clearly shown what gods are in the comics and Asgardians are not in that category. The people you're talking about who've had sex with "gods" were situations where those beings weren't really gods. A god – Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet – could achieve this easily. Anyone who physically moves heavy things in a show of strength isn't a god. A god, by definition, is all powerful. Therefore, my question is valid.

 

[JoeZhang]

A god, by definition, is all powerful. Therefore, my question is valid.

No that's simply wrong, even if we go off 'by definition' (Oxford for example) - it doesn't mention 'all powerful'. A God might be 'all-powerful' but that is a very narrow western-centric view (having said that, even the Christian god is not always all-powerful in the bible).

 

[Luminus]

A god, by definition, is all powerful. Therefore, my question is valid.

No that's simply wrong, even if we go off 'by definition' (Oxford for example) - it doesn't mention 'all powerful'. A God might be 'all-powerful' but that is a very narrow western-centric view (having said that, even the Christian god is not always all-powerful in the bible).

I just went to Oxford and it says:

play God: behave as if all-powerful or supremely important.​

As for the Christian god, it's either he's all-powerful or not. He can't be sometimes nigh-powerful. That would be a contradiction, which I realize the bible is not without.

Furthermore, saying this is a narrow western-centric idea is really missing the fact that these comics are from western culture.

 

[JoeZhang]

I just went to Oxford and it says:

play God: behave as if all-powerful or supremely important.​

Notice you cite play god - now what does it say under God or do you want to shift the goal posts again?