It also takes away from the theme that Coulson is alone and possibly the senior SHIELD Agent still free. While not tying the hands of Marvel for Hawkeye's next appearance.
Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread
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^ My impression is he's level 6 or 7. Anyone worth anything is at least level 5 from what it seems (Fitz and Simmons), but those in charge are level 8 (with Hill as the sole 9 and Fury as the sole 10). Steve Rogers is 8 and I assume Romanoff is as well. But I can't imagine him as lower ranking than Ward (either before joining the team at level 6 or after the promotion to level 7). In other words, Barton would be an important agent, but not top brass.
There was the Helicopter shooting at them, no?
BTW, the thought just occurred to me that Triplett had a second knife on him when he gave one to Simmons since he pulled it on one of Hand's agents. Kind of devalues the trust he showed a bit...
There was the Helicopter shooting at them, no?
BTW, the thought just occurred to me that Triplett had a second knife on him when he gave one to Simmons since he pulled it on one of Hand's agents. Kind of devalues the trust he showed a bit...
Didn't they specifically say in the pilot that the Avengers weren't in on the fact that Coulson was alive because they weren't Level 7?
That's true, but since then Cap has supposedly been doing a lot of covert missions for SHIELD. It's possible that Rogers clearance level is a lot higher now than it used to be. That doesn't mean he knows Coulson is alive though, but I'm sure he will soon (probably his next film).
Speaking of that, how would you guys feel about Coulson and his team showing up in a future Marvel film? Would they draw focus from the heroes? Personally I wouldn't mind a small cameo from them, I think it could work in a non intrusive way.
Coulson's resurrection would need to be explained for the movie audience. It couldn't be a throwaway; it would have to be a big deal in the story, something that feels earned to the moviegoers who don't watch the show.
But if that could be achieved, then a cameo by others from the team wouldn't be amiss. Or others from the show in general. It would've been nice, for instance, if Victoria Hand had made a brief cameo in The Winter Soldier, or even just been name-dropped.
But if that could be achieved, then a cameo by others from the team wouldn't be amiss. Or others from the show in general. It would've been nice, for instance, if Victoria Hand had made a brief cameo in The Winter Soldier, or even just been name-dropped.
It's a lengthy process, Hydra HR's motto is "Fill out one form and two more shall take it's place."
To what end? Totalitarian states are usually established to serve a particular ideological purpose -- Nazi Germany to enable domination by Germans over non-Germans according to the "leadership principles;" Soviet Russia to enable the transition into a stateless realm of history while surrounded by hostile capitalist states; Pinochet's Chile and the junta in Argentina to beat back socialism and preserve capitalism.
We get this vague notion of "peace through order," but that's a goal all totalitarian states have. Their order is usually one modeled to serve a specific ideological agenda; we still, in other words, don't know what that agenda is for Hydra. It's a given that all totalitarians believe that the world would be better if everyone simply accepted the totalitarian state, but what do they believe in beyond that?
I don't think that works when you look at the foundational psychology of fascist organizations. Fascism is about taking a pre-existing in-group and exalting it above all others, and the fascist organization itself usually functions as a kind of "vanguard party" for the in-group on its natural road to domination.
This definition from fascism's Wikipedia page is probably the best concise definition I've seen: "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."
So nationalism/racism is inherent in the fascist mindset. There's really no such thing as a fascism that isn't intensely nationalistic; for Hydra to work in America, it would almost certainly have to have assimilated American nationalism into its ideological framework.
The problem is that Captain America: The First Avenger explicitly described Hydra as a wing of the Nazi Party. Schmidt may have eventually rejected Hitler, but that just means he wanted to be führer; nothing about this implies a rejection of Nazi or fascist ideology per se.
Nor does it preclude it. It's certainly possible for a single party to have ideological schisms within it -- even for one party to split into two rival parties, as with the evolution of the 18th-century Democratic-Republican Party into the modern Democratic Party and Republican Party.
The one couldn't have fit Ward, Garrett, the pilot already piloting it, the items stolen including the gravitonium, and the prison brakers.
If they did that, it just seems SHIELD could just scoop them up as they're heading to the bases nearest neighbor (which I imagine isn't close).
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Well, HYDRA isn't a penny-ante operation. It's a vast conspiracy that's been hiding inside SHIELD for 70 years and co-opting its resources. I'm sure they had the means to achieve their goal.
That's what's cool about this. Up to now, it's been the heroes who had the resources of a vast global organization behind them. Now it's the villains who have that, while the heroes are a ragtag group on the run -- not only from HYDRA but from the legitimate governments of the world. People have been making this analogy quite a lot, but now they really are kind of like the crew of Serenity facing the Alliance. It's generally more interesting when the antagonists hold a huge advantage over the heroes.
That's what's cool about this. Up to now, it's been the heroes who had the resources of a vast global organization behind them. Now it's the villains who have that, while the heroes are a ragtag group on the run -- not only from HYDRA but from the legitimate governments of the world. People have been making this analogy quite a lot, but now they really are kind of like the crew of Serenity facing the Alliance. It's generally more interesting when the antagonists hold a huge advantage over the heroes.
I don't recall it in the pilot. I recall Coulson saying his girlfriend didn't know because she wasn't level 7 and Ward was told Coulson was alive with a "welcome to level 7," but I don't recall any specific explanation like that. I could be wrong, though, I've only watched in real time and haven't rewatched any, so my memory isn't perfect.
If they have trucks on the ground, they could take them down in shifts. Also, there's Hand's plane.
What SHIELD?
In fact, the title of episode 21 is "Ragtag".
Now all they need is a fugitive fleet!
Coulson (and/or Skye) said there were four (or five) bases still with SHIELD while they were at the Hub. If whoever's left scrambling to claim items for SHIELD's side (not to mention Talbot's forces) see a bunch of convicts escaping from the Fridge, they'd presumably have weapons and vehicles against those on foot.
But presumably those other surviving SHIELD enclaves are in the same fix as Coulson's team: Either they've surrendered to government authority and interrogation, or they've gone into hiding.
Yeah, or, at a minimum, they're not within eyesight of the Fridge. The main thrust is that SHIELD is essentially scrambling to do anything. They can't respond in minutes to people leaving the Fridge.
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