Seven of Kes

[Lynx]

They couldn't very well keep Kes because she'd have to start getting old. I think Seven is a better character than Kes anyway. I can think of more Seven of Nine episodes I really liked than Kes episodes.
I like Seven for her sarcasm (that's my story and I'm sticking to it). Kes wasn't as sarcastic.

But we already had two sarcastic characters in Tom and The Doctor. Tuvok could be good at sarcasm too so we didn't need another one.

As for Kes's lifespan, it could have been prolonged so she didn't have to get old.

 

[exodus]

They couldn't very well keep Kes because she'd have to start getting old. I think Seven is a better character than Kes anyway. I can think of more Seven of Nine episodes I really liked than Kes episodes.
I like Seven for her sarcasm (that's my story and I'm sticking to it). Kes wasn't as sarcastic.

But we already had two sarcastic characters in Tom and The Doctor. Tuvok could be good at sarcasm too so we didn't need another one.

As for Kes's lifespan, it could have been prolonged so she didn't have to get old.

There's a limit to how many people can be sarcastic?

Prolonging a life span doesn't make one immortal.
Even Vulcans grow old and die eventually.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

They couldn't very well keep Kes because she'd have to start getting old. I think Seven is a better character than Kes anyway. I can think of more Seven of Nine episodes I really liked than Kes episodes.
I like Seven for her sarcasm (that's my story and I'm sticking to it). Kes wasn't as sarcastic.

But we already had two sarcastic characters in Tom and The Doctor. Tuvok could be good at sarcasm too so we didn't need another one.

As for Kes's lifespan, it could have been prolonged so she didn't have to get old.

There's a limit to how many people can be sarcastic?

Prolonging a life span doesn't make one immortal.
Even Vulcans grow old and die eventually.

Yeah... when is Spock going to die anyway? He's only half Vulcan and has lived longer than most full-blooded Vulcans.

 

[exodus]

But we already had two sarcastic characters in Tom and The Doctor. Tuvok could be good at sarcasm too so we didn't need another one.

As for Kes's lifespan, it could have been prolonged so she didn't have to get old.

There's a limit to how many people can be sarcastic?

Prolonging a life span doesn't make one immortal.
Even Vulcans grow old and die eventually.

Yeah... when is Spock going to die anyway? He's only half Vulcan and has lived longer than most full-blooded Vulcans.

The old ones don't die, they just fade away.

 

[froot]

Spock better not die.

 

[Udat]

^ Well not again!

 

[Lynx]

But we already had two sarcastic characters in Tom and The Doctor. Tuvok could be good at sarcasm too so we didn't need another one.

As for Kes's lifespan, it could have been prolonged so she didn't have to get old.

There's a limit to how many people can be sarcastic?

Prolonging a life span doesn't make one immortal.
Even Vulcans grow old and die eventually.

Yeah... when is Spock going to die anyway? He's only half Vulcan and has lived longer than most full-blooded Vulcans.

As for sarcastic people, I thought that we wanted original characters, not just another sarcastic one.

No one is immortal but giving Kes a human (or Vulcan) lifespan would open up a lot of possibilities.

As for Spock, I do hope they keep him alive for many more good stories. Live long and prosper!

 

[DonIago]

Giving Kes a longer lifespan would remove what was theoretically one of her more interesting qualities. Why give her a short lifespan to begin with if you're going to end up making her the same as everyone else?

 

[teya]

Giving Kes a longer lifespan would remove what was theoretically one of her more interesting qualities. Why give her a short lifespan to begin with if you're going to end up making her the same as everyone else?

Thank you!

 

[Ensign Johnson]

But we already had two sarcastic characters in Tom and The Doctor. Tuvok could be good at sarcasm too so we didn't need another one.

Seven and Tuvok have a more dry sense of humour than Paris and The Doctor which I think is much funnier. I don't really find Paris very funny especially when he's being racist about Seven being an ex-drone "no baby showers in the collective?"

 

[Udat]

^ Whoa thats not racist more like sarcastic.

 

[exodus]

But we already had two sarcastic characters in Tom and The Doctor. Tuvok could be good at sarcasm too so we didn't need another one.

Seven and Tuvok have a more dry sense of humour than Paris and The Doctor which I think is much funnier. I don't really find Paris very funny especially when he's being racist about Seven being an ex-drone "no baby showers in the collective?"

I get your point but are Borg really considered a race?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think they think they finished, crossed ribbon and felt sorry for all the retarded species trying to figure out how to put one foot in front of another towards some apex, so rather then waiting for all the other races to attain some ultimate evolution, the Borg are simply forgoing the pathetic flailing and struggling all the little and younger species go through to become a fraction as awesome as the Borg via conscription.

The Borg are insanely racist since they believe that some would be better off borg because they are better than others who do not deserve to be borg because they would diminish their perfection, but sincerely would you let your daughter marry a Kazon?

If your daughter said that she couldn't decide between two decent blokes of good character and good income, but one liked to go to conventions dressed as a Kazon and the other liked to go to conventions dressed as a Klingon... Who would you choose for her?

 

[Itachi]

Spock better not die.

too late. But lucky for you he was brought back lol.

 

[Ensign Johnson]

I get your point but are Borg really considered a race?

True they aren't really a race, the borg just capture people from other races. But in that case should he be making a joke about the fact she lost 18 years of her life to the borg? I don't think so, its insensitive, she's trying to regain her humanity and he keeps pointing out that she's different.

 

[Lynx]

Giving Kes a longer lifespan would remove what was theoretically one of her more interesting qualities. Why give her a short lifespan to begin with if you're going to end up making her the same as everyone else?

Kes's most interesting qualities is her personality, not the silly lifespan.

And why should she be so different than everybody else.

As for changing the original premise and for originality, when they gave The Doctor the mobile emitter in "Future's End", they dramatically changed the original premise for the character and took away what really made him original and no one is complaining about that.

 

[teya]

And why should she be so different than everybody else.
.

Because she's a different species.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I get your point but are Borg really considered a race?

True they aren't really a race, the borg just capture people from other races. But in that case should he be making a joke about the fact she lost 18 years of her life to the borg? I don't think so, its insensitive, she's trying to regain her humanity and he keeps pointing out that she's different.

Immigration and annexation.

Immigration? Are all those dirty foreigners who passes the American citizenship exam and afterthen they've pledged allegiance to that flag and renounced all former interest in not being an American, just faking it?

Annexation? It happens that some people have their nationality changed by the flow back and forth of armies waving different flags.

Hells the humans living in the the ceded territories by the federation to the Cardassians, were officially Cardassians because that treaty which pissed the Maquis off, was asking the cardassians to look after all the humans left behind. IE at least half the Maquis on paper must have been, probably were technically Cardassians. At that, are the Maquis a race moreso than a gang?

There are other factors to Nationality than geography and blood, Jews and Gypsies for instance? but as awesome as the 6 day war was to study in school, can you imagine all the Gypsies teaming up to secure some tract of land they insist is a country in the middle of Europe and calling it their new homeland?

 

[exodus]

Giving Kes a longer lifespan would remove what was theoretically one of her more interesting qualities. Why give her a short lifespan to begin with if you're going to end up making her the same as everyone else?

Kes's most interesting qualities is her personality, not the silly lifespan.

And why should she be so different than everybody else.

As for changing the original premise and for originality, when they gave The Doctor the mobile emitter in "Future's End", they dramatically changed the original premise for the character and took away what really made him original and no one is complaining about that.

..because even with the emitter he's still a hologram.
Giving him freedom did change the fact he was still different. A subject they covered very well through out the show.
What made Kes' personality any different or interesting than Niomi's?

 

[DonIago]

Giving Kes a longer lifespan would remove what was theoretically one of her more interesting qualities. Why give her a short lifespan to begin with if you're going to end up making her the same as everyone else?

Kes's most interesting qualities is her personality, not the silly lifespan.

And why should she be so different than everybody else.

As for changing the original premise and for originality, when they gave The Doctor the mobile emitter in "Future's End", they dramatically changed the original premise for the character and took away what really made him original and no one is complaining about that.

I'm not really sure what you're looking for Lynx...you say here that Kes shouldn't be different from everybody else, yet earlier you claimed that the last thing Voyager needed was characters who were more homogeneous (in reference to sarcasm).

Given that your pro-Kes bias is a matter of record and I don't think anyone who's read your previous posts expects you to approach anything regarding her from a remotely objective perspective, I'm forced to conclude that the main reason you want her to have the same lifespan is so that the issue of her leaving the show due to a natural death is no longer pertinent. But IMO dealing with the foreknowledge that at least one character was significantly less likely to survive the trip made Voyager a better show. Granted it's not a -happy- subject, but I prefer realistic Trek over shiny happy Trek anyway.

Why should Kes be different? Because Trek is about exploring new worlds and new civilizations, not about a bunch of humans and human-like aliens who only ever encounter species that they can readily identify with.

And I never claimed Kes's lifespan was her -most- interesting quality; please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't think giving the Doc the emitter took away what made him original. To my mind what made him original was that he was a holographic lifeform, not that he was confined to one location on the ship. While the latter point presented interesting challenges earlier in the show's run, I don't think the majority of fans would have been satisfied if that had remained the case for the duration of the series.