Nicer to look at from a gentleman's point of view perhaps.
Who Should Have Left in Season Four?
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I think Chakotay should have been shot by some mysterious gunman while in his quarters. At the end of the final episode Janeway walks into her quaters hearing the shower running. She walks to the shower and finds Chakotay, duh-duh-duh...
DS9 was on syndicated TV, Voyager was on what was then a up and coming major network. Voyager relied on ratings & sponsors to keep afloat, syndicated networks don't. Due to that, Voyager's budget was maintained due to cutting corners when less of an audience tuned in mostly due to having two Trek's on at the same time, in some major cities even on at the same time & same night. This is why Voyager couldn't afford certain reaccuring characters, much less maintain 10 cast members. If the writers weren't interested in Kes anymore, then financially speaking keeping the actress on was just an economic drain. So you either keep Kes or cut out all those special EFX you saw in "YOH" , "Timeless" & "Dragon's Teeth"..
How were the ratings decent if Voyager was near cancellation?
Why do you think there was such a huge media promo for Seven of Nine?
Paramount was desperate to get butts in the seats because the flagship show was failing.
I think most Voyager fans are well aware the show wasn't doing great, you know especially with the whole network going under and all.
EVERYBODY working on the show depends on the ratings in order to get paid, how could it be laziness if it ties into their livelihood?
A mortgage & car payments don't pay themselves.
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You_Guyz
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Have you actually seen the ratings for Voyager?
They weren't bad in the third season and the presence of Seven only led to an increase for around half of season 4 before dropping down to below season 3 levels, and since it ran for 3 seasons after that, I would say Paramount had a much higher threshold than you assume.
The show wasn't doing terribly as everyone imagined and I have never heard from an official source that Voyager was nearing cancellation.
Here are one source of the ratings history for Star Trek: Voyager
http://www.vidiot.com/st-voy/Ratings.html
Seven, despite being an amazing new character and season 4, despite being a marked improvement on season 3 didn't actually increase the ratings for much time at all unfortunately.
They weren't bad in the third season and the presence of Seven only led to an increase for around half of season 4 before dropping down to below season 3 levels, and since it ran for 3 seasons after that, I would say Paramount had a much higher threshold than you assume.
The show wasn't doing terribly as everyone imagined and I have never heard from an official source that Voyager was nearing cancellation.
Here are one source of the ratings history for Star Trek: Voyager
http://www.vidiot.com/st-voy/Ratings.html
Seven, despite being an amazing new character and season 4, despite being a marked improvement on season 3 didn't actually increase the ratings for much time at all unfortunately.
Try comparing Voyager's ratings to other shows on other networks on that day in that timeslot. Then check Voyager's status against the 100 other shows in prime time during that period. That's how shows budgets are determined and that's why networks have "sweeps week". Budget cutbacks are why they couldn't keep featuring Species 8472. They couldn't cover the cost to animate him. Keep in mind, we haven't even covered the different pay rates for reaccurring actors. Which would cover why the actress that plays Samathan Wildman didn't show up as much a Icheb due to her asking rate being more.
Because you're not listening.
I didn't say it got more money. I said shows on syndication don't rely on ratings, network TV does. Syndicted networks make their budget a completely different way than network TV does. Network TV need sponcors(advertisements) to make money. The more watched a show is, the more bigger named sponsers it has. The more bigger names, the bigger the budget that show earns. Voyager's ratings were low, so very few sponsors. Less sponsors, lower or tighter budget. DS9( budget was paid for thanks to the success of TNG.) All the money TNG made helped with the production of DS9. Voyager was under UPN network and had a completely different contract and production that TNG & DS9.
BTW, I have a degree in TV/film production.
So I think I spent enough years in school to have a very clear idea of what I'm talking about.
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You_Guyz
Commander
So flagship shows can't have tertiary characters and have really low budgets? Can we stop with the complete BS please?
Do you actually have any facts to back up your claim or are you just going to spout BS opinions the whole post?
You didn't even know there was a difference in how regular network TV & syndication makes profit or how ratings are compared to other networks. Yet you're completely sure with no factual evidence that's it's laziness and lack of continuity, which actually has nothing to do with a shows budget and how it's spent.
Did you ever take into account the lighting bill & just paying the contracted carpenters to refurbish sets alone costs a good amount of the budget? Do you think the only cost a show has is paying the cast?
No, of course not.
Instead, lets just make up some crap because it's too much work to learn business economy. You know, something we all should know considering we all work for a living.
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You_Guyz
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If they hadn't spent huge amounts of money doing up crap like Fair Haven, maybe they would have had money for tertiary characters.
You really like to rub people up the wrong way huh Exodus?
The fact is, they did have money for tertiary characters, they just didn't bother with them.
Case closed.
You really like to rub people up the wrong way huh Exodus?
The fact is, they did have money for tertiary characters, they just didn't bother with them.
Case closed.
No, they didn't have money to risk on tertiary characters since the show as is was just getting by with the characters they already had. Too risky.
Seriously, just because it worked for DS9 (which didn't operate the way VOY's budget did) and NuBSG (which cost less since it was made in Canada and used lots of Canadian actors) doesn't mean it'd work for VOY.
Seriously, just because it worked for DS9 (which didn't operate the way VOY's budget did) and NuBSG (which cost less since it was made in Canada and used lots of Canadian actors) doesn't mean it'd work for VOY.
Don't get mad at me, it's not my fault you don't understand simple economics.
However, thank you once again for providing no true facts at all to support any of your arguement.
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!!! I liked Chakotay but this just made freaking laugh! That's hilarious. I see your point about that.I have a better idea, kill Janeway. Then we have Chakotay in charge with Tuvok as the XO and Ayala still gets to be at tactical. Chakotay I think he would have better as a Captain as he seemed more grounded then Janeway and his decisions tended to have a more logical pattern to them.
Of coarse I can understand people wanting Harry dead. But the problem is would have done nothing to the series since Harry did very little to begin with.
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Tom Paris. He was just boring although he improved a bit once he got together with B'Elanna. I couldn't stand his fascination with cars or their equivalent, "Alice" was welcome to him. Just a typical high-school jock educated way above his station, poor chap.
That said, I don't think it was necessary to get rid of anyone to add Seven.
That said, I don't think it was necessary to get rid of anyone to add Seven.
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