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Who Should Have Left in Season Four?

Who Should Have Left in Season Four?

  • Captain Kathryn Janeway

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Commander Chakotay

    Votes: 22 16.5%
  • Lieutenant B'Elanna Torres

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lieutenant Tom Paris

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Neelix

    Votes: 27 20.3%
  • The Doctor

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lieutenant Tuvok

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Ensign Harry Kim

    Votes: 44 33.1%
  • Getting rid of Kes was the right thing to do ...

    Votes: 25 18.8%

  • Total voters
    133
Harry had Non Sequitor to prove that he had what it took, even though he was just playing "Clarence" to Tom's Jimmy Stewart from it's a wonderful life, and they shared about evenly the Chute which had some powerful stuff rolling around in the atmosphere, meanwhile warhead, favourite Son and Nightingale all prooved that he was as much a drop kick as he was when he collaborated with the Hirogen in the Killing game or accepted orders from an imaginary command structure which had the Doctor at the top of the totem in Workforce, not that he wasn't half as persuasive as kes in Getting captain Tuvok to engage a Vidiaan fleet to save Janeway from giving into Chakotay's sexual advances.

It's like the writers room despised him.
 
I voted Neelix, but it was a real effort because I wanted to vote for Harry Kim. In all the episodes I've seen, I just can't find a real use for that guy. Neelix more so, but only by a hair.

J.
 
Well, if the ship crashed and the power gave out and the ship was left to lottery who would eat who first before even that semblance of society collapsed... I just think that you could cut a better steak off Mr Kim's carcass than Neelixs.

Besides, just the ordeal of having to remove that hedgehogs pelt makes whatever he has to offer almost too much effort to bother with until it's a choice between eating him or yourself.

God, could you imagine Janeway trying to be egalitarian about it? Everyone loses a leg to the lottery first, and then an arm and then their other leg before they put these buggers out of their misery.
 
Definitely Neelix. Any chance to get rid of him should have been jumped upon. They even had a chance to kill him off through suicide and they passed. :brickwall:
 
if it was just about money? Why did they get rid of the little girl who they probably paid the least? Is it bigotist to assume sexism?

Or do we assume that she and Wand (Funny typo! Another word which means penis.) who had about as much air time and profile on the show were pulling down similar folding which is why they were the two on the chopping block more so then they sucked harder than anyone else.
 
Thing is, although Neelix was always kind of annoying, he did get more tolerable after he stopped going out with Kes. I actually found his exit quite touching, which is more than I can say for the rest of the crew thanks to Endgame.
 
No one should have been kicked out. Voyager had the best cast of all the Trek shows, there was no need for any change.

They should have kept the original characters even if they had to add Seven.
Hi, fellow STV fans! Newbie here, so be kind(And big Voyager fan, duh!) At any rate, I agree with my cohort here...I liked all the characters mentioned-especially Kes, whom I will state for the record straightaway I am a longtime fan of, and Jen. I feel they all have merit, though, I am not a big Seven fan-but that's just my personal taste, of course, and yes, she was apparently 'The Spock or Data' of STV....Had Jen been able to stay on, I would have had no problem with Jeri there....but as usual, fans don't get to make 'the big decisions'....
 
Chakotay would have opened up the most room for exploring other characters, since they were never going to do anything with him anyway.

Tuvok to XO. Someone to tactical.

Maybe most importantly, B'Elanna becomes leader of the Maquis - she has to take care of her people, deal somewhat differently with the captain - it could have been fun.

And I'd have liked to see more of Kes, of course.
 
Tuvok! Tuvock Tuvock!

Shut the hell up about logic 'Tuvock'. In Voys defense, the problem Tuvok had was something that started in TNG; aliens are 100 percent one guiding principle, and always inferior to humans. Nothing ever changes with Tuvok, he might as well have been a machine. Spock and early Vulcans worked because of a different perception of what was 'the right thing to do', but they werent just bland robots, they usually only become fiercely logical when they needed to be.

This problem was heavily exacerbated by a fundamental VOY trend: Janeway, or the humans will always be right. Whenever the humans make a dificult moral decision, it always turns out, however improbably, that the Janeway or human approach is right. The best example being when they leave Janeway and Chakotay on that planet because they have a disease (?Resolutions?). They tell the crew not to contact the medically advanced but very aggressive Vidions, Tuvok takes command and follows the order both because it was an order and because it was obvious the Vidions would attack and harvest them. Harry and the others badger him about it, they give in, happen to find a ship with the one Vidion who owes them a favour, and its all ok. It would have been far more interesting if they had gotten a significant number of people killed doing the stupid Vidion idea, it would have put a decent twist on things, some struggles for the characters in light off what they lost compared to what they gained,cold logic is something to stick to in these conditions. But no, cos humanity rules! Doing the right thing always means getting a sunshine out come! They never used Tuvok like this.

'A most logical suggestion'
'That plan defies logic'

Does this guy have anymore personality than a dam replicator? I mean what did they write on the casting call? 'Tuvok: Vulcan (Black)'? Is there anything else about this character they could possibly have written?

If a character has only one characteristic, and it is very very rarely used. BOOT OFF SHOW!
 
No one should have been kicked out. Voyager had the best cast of all the Trek shows, there was no need for any change.

They should have kept the original characters even if they had to add Seven.

I agree with you. They should have kept Kes AND added Seven of Nine in season four. We only saw the two of them together a couple of times (Scorpion, The Gift)
 
No one should have been kicked out. Voyager had the best cast of all the Trek shows, there was no need for any change.

They should have kept the original characters even if they had to add Seven.

I agree with you. They should have kept Kes AND added Seven of Nine in season four. We only saw the two of them together a couple of times (Scorpion, The Gift)

I fully agree with this, Kes and 7 would have made an interesting (more) set up IMO...but if I had to absolutely choose one, I could go with Chakotay...yea I thought the animal guide stuff and what not was kinda interesting, but after awhile he kinda started slowly getting dull, though at times he could make things interesting....Harry had a lot of potential that I feel they missed out on...
 
I chose Neelix. It was either him or Harry. Berman said in an interview that Kes wasn't really working out for them, but I thought she had much more development potential than either of those two.

The only use Neelix had in the beginning was his (questionable) local knowledge. He forced the chef and ambassador roles without Janeway's initial support. Harry remained pretty much the same naive green ensign throughout the entire run of the series.
 
They should have expanded the hydroponics bay into a proper, beautiful set and have Kes spend more of her time there. She was a sensitive and wise person and could have been the person went to to talk about their problems and relax surrounded by all the greenery.
She could be like a counsellor for Voyager.
 
Deanna in her mid twenties, or Ezri in her early twenties (she just looked younger. But Marina was 32 in season one TNG and Nicole was 28 in her only season of DS9) was a bit of a stretch considering some of their patients were in their 50s and 60s and a few were well into their second century... But a two year old doling out sage life experience balanced by a vacant education? I suppose the Doctor had that episode where he put on his counsellors hat and offered therapy of a sorts, and he is both 2 years younger than Kes and soulless.
 
I'm going to have to say Chakotay, basically for the the reasons listed above. Chakotay seemed to have a prominent role in the first few seasons. He had some interesting story lines with him, but after awhile he faded into the background. I kept hoping they'd do more with his character, but it never happened. They should of just done away with him earlier to save it all from being so awkward.
 
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