Probably but that's after the fact armchair quarterbacking. Who was available to do the job on time and under budget?
What is your favorite female character from Voyager?
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Honestly, they did actually do a decent job during the time Kes was in the series. Some of it wasn't good but most of it was acceptable.
But if the character was dumped due to the explanation that "the writers coiuldn't write for the character", then they weren't doing their job.
However, I always found it wrird that they all of a sudden lost the ability to write for the character when they had done a decent job for three years-unless they were ordered to lose the ability to write for the character.
I must admit that I've seen other cases of bad writing and unnecessary dumping of characters in other series too.
Look at my statement above the quote of your post here.
Me either. I think VOY would have been better served keeping them both and losing either Harry Kim or Chakotay. Harry would be the easier boot, there would have been no shake-up in the hierarchy. But Chakotay was a badly conceived character.
Yes, Lynx, I know you disagree.
And yes, keeping all ten would have been the ideal solution.
Indeed, yes. Maybe subbed in a few people from DS9. People who could form long term storylines, ration torpedoes, and put hollow pips on ensign's collars.
I'm not asking for people who are elite players... just people who know how the game is played.
Janeway: "Over the last two months, by more carefully rationing our torpedoes, our torpedo reserves have increased from negative seven to plus 3. Some of the metal spared by the rationing has also been used to finally created some rank pips for you. Congratulations, Lt. Jg. Kim!"
Writer's block is a thing.
Not everything is evil, mean spirited, or malicious in intent. Sometimes people burn out but don't realize it until it's too late.
I'm really not a fan of the assumption stupidity, incompetence, or maliciousness as motivations for people we don't know.
Or more like...
EXT SHOT: Voyager, traveling through space at warp.
JANEWAY: "Captain's log. Our meeting with the Zahl has proven both pleasurable and productive. They are a peaceful and technologically advanced species with weapons technology similar to our own, and have agreed to trade us a pallet of torpedoes. Commander Tuvok is working on reconfiguring them to function in our launchers. In addition to having our weapons reserves restored, we have another event to celebrate."
Cut to:
INT SHOT: Briefing room.
Close up shot of Janeway's hands, sticking a hollow pipe on Kim's collar.
JANEWAY: "As captain of this ship, I promote you to the rank of lieutenant, with all privileges and responsibilities therein."
HARRY (grinning): "Thank you, captain!"
It's all about percentage.
I don't find it believable at all when it's stated that the whole bunch of writers all of a sudden lost the ability to "come up with stories" for a character.
Not everything is evil, mean spirited, or malicious in intent, but some are.
And someone gives the orders and the staff replies "Yes, Boss!"
How do we know what's evil, mean spirited or malicious? I have no way of telling. Some actors hate their characters but still keep going.
I don't see a reason to just call people liars. It's just strange to me.
Unfortunatlely, it's the impression I get in this case.
If someone comes up with three different explanations for one questionable event of which none looks believable and none is actually confirmed in any way, then it's hard for me to simply accept them.
I need more confirmation from different sources and not only from those who caused the event.
As for actors who hate their characters, I must admit that I don't understand them.
How can a person possible work with something that the person hates? It must be devastating for the mind and soul.
If i was an actor and disliked the character I'm supposed to play, then I would quit and find another series, movies or whatsoever.
Or a different job.
And I would be honest enought to tell the fans: "Sorry, I just can't do this anymore!"
It's really none of my business to accept or reject. If they're lying why difference is that to me? I wasn't there, and there are so many different factors to production and writing for me to go with malice.
Mileage will vary.
Play a villain or someone morally depraved. Or just an antagonist in a comedy.
There's lots of ways. The workman attitude is very strong in many people and dominated generations of thought. It's only devastating if that's your only reason for being.
Indeed. In contrast, look at Larry Linville playing Frank Burns. By all reports, Linville was a sweet guy who was easy to get along with. After 5 years of playing an antagonist to Alda's Hawkeye he got tired of it. Too bad, because they are a lot of hints of a tragic background to his character and could have gone better.
I don't like when people lie to me. That's it.
Due to my twisted sense of humor, I would really love to play an out-flipped dictator or a bad guy in a movie or series.
Something like what Harris Yulin (Marritza in the DS9 episode Duet) did in a Western series called The Macahans when he played the villain Deek Peasley, a character who was so slimy, cunning and unsympathetic that he actually was funny.
Or that guy in a series i once watched who hold hostages in a police station of all places. When the main character, a police officer demanded that "I want all hostages released", the guy just looked at him and said: "And I want a pony!"
That was funny!
But playing a character I simply find boring or downright disgusting for many reasons or a character in a series which I find uninteresting and boring (like Stargate Universe), no I wouldn't do that.
And I would never play music in a band whose musical style I find lousy. In that case I rather have just an ordinary job.
I just don't take this case personally since it's not directed personally at me.
And you have that luxury. Writers and actors don't always. Nimoy makes a point of that.
Regardless, people do jobs they hate all the time. Writing is no different.
Which is the right thing to do since the comment wasn't about you.
I have never considered you as a liar.
Regardless, people do jobs they hate all the time. Writing is no different.
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Yes, I have that luxury but even writers and actors can actually quit if they don't like what orders they get when it comes to the writing or how the character they play is developed.
And yes, people do jobe they hate. But writing is something which has to be done with interest and inspiration, otherwise it will be sub-standard and downright bad.
I've been doing a lot of writing and my best worh have been done when I've really had had my heart into it.
I've actually done a few things which I was ordered to do in or just had to do which I didn't have the slightest interest or inspiration. They were so bad that I still refuse to read them, i didn't even put my name under the text, instead I used an alias.
But they were exceptions, certain on-off articles which I did only because I promised someone that I would do it when no one else could or would or for a nice sum of money. I would never do it all the time.
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