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Why have Jews been hated so much throughout history?

It's misleading to single out the Jews as the only or most persecuted people. Gypsies probably have a worse time of it both in persecution and in general hostility from most other people for example.

Jews are just the most well acknowledged persecuted people, nothing more.

I was going to bring up the Gypsies/Romani too. I wonder if a lot of the persecution against the Jewish people have also had to do with their nomadic nature. For most of the past 2000 years there have been Jewish communities within other nations, but no place for them to really call home. To be a culture separate within another culture, as the Romani are, is a thing bound to bring on fear and hatred.

I also think about the prejudice people have against, say, the Sikh communities in BC, Canada--or first generation immigrants from Asia in general--with statements like "why can't they just learn our language instead of insisting on keeping their own?", "why can't they assimilate?" and "they take all of our jobs." It's not anywhere near as rampant as it has been against the Jews or Romani, but it's still there.
 
Also being in money lending and banking was a factor - people get into financial trouble and can't pay their debts so they'd blame the lenders or look for ways to get out of paying the money back.

Hitler's true motivation for persecuting and killing Jews during the Holocaust; he just wanted to avoid having to keep up his mortgage repayments.
 
I don't know if it was supposed to be humorous, but some comments on it:

Only the sardonic quip about the Germans.
Which seems to contrast with your own comments on the matter ("Germans really are Barbarians"). However, if something was said tongue-in-cheek, I apologize for taking things too seriously. Deadpan humour is difficult to read in writing.

It was actually the Romans, innit?
They were merely the instrument the Sanhedrin used to commit the crime.
You are only hearing one side of the story. Jesus was crucified (a Roman type of execution) for stirring up troubles. That's the only "fact" that we have. Closed doors resolutions are highly debatable.

Who's more famous for this opinion? Hebrews or anyone else? Making claims like that leads to trouble. That's one reason why I leave God out of politics.
More famous in Judeo-Christian circles, I'm sure. If you ask a Hindu, a Shinto or a Muslim "who is God's chosen people?" the reply will probably be "us!" and a big smile. Even Hitler thought Arians were God's chosen people and believed he was doing God's bidding by getting rid of all those pesky Jews.

The bigots and Anti-semites are the ones who hold that view. I just laugh at the jokes based on the stereotypes, which even Jews will occasionally tell.
Ok, no foul in humour.

"America, fuck yeah!" was part of a movie from the South Park creators, right?
Yeah, Team America. It's also representative of a jingoistic attitude I've seen sometimes (even on this board) that the US can do no wrong. Which is actually the point of the movie.

I would. America would have expanded sooner or later, regardless of James K. Polk's actions.
For historical reason? Probably yes: American Indians couldn't stand a chance against the invasion of Europeans. But many times the US have invoked a moral or divine right to justify its expansion into the West. Just like Israel did on the Holy Land.

Germans really are Barbarians. That's not me Bullshitting you. Also, with their ruthless efficiency and special brand of insanity, they tend to take things to some pretty illogical extremes. That includes hatred and mistrust of strange minority groups.
The only ones that get to call people barbarians are Greeks, and that only for speaking non-Greek languages. The rest is just bullshit, and racist bullshit too. No people is above reproach when it comes to cultural barbarism, ruthlessness and insanity.
 
Bigotry must be learned. Children are not born with it.

That is a misleading half-truth.

Prejudice may be learned--but it's much easier to learn than tolerance.

Tolerance is a virtue--and like any other virtue, it's difficult to acquire, and easy to lose.

Source?
You can't be serious.

All the latest research into the sources of prejudice indicates that it's a natural and instrumental response to some of the fundamental problems of human existence. Which is why it has been nearly universal throughout history.

Terror-management theorists, for example, argue that prejudice is rooted in our awareness of our own mortality. While subjective uncertainty reduction theorists argue that prejudice is rooted in our attempts to reduce the uncertainty of existence. Ervin Staub anticipated these theories in his book The Roots of Evil, where he argued that prejudice was a psychological coping mechanism, and a natural response to the ordinary difficulties of life.

Thus, to say that 'bigotry must be learned' is like saying 'being human must be learned.' If children aren't bigoted, it's because their needs are taken care of by their parents, and because they don't understand yet that their own death is inevitable.

What's more: social-psychological research has shown that prejudiced attitudes and behaviours can be picked up at the drop of a hat. Our attitudes toward other people, and our behaviour toward them, are powerfully shaped by our social role, and the perspective which this role imposes. Only the strongest personalities are able to resist its influence.

For examples of this effect, see Philip Zimbardo's work, beginning with the Stanford Prison Experiment; or Christopher Browning's research into the Nazi-German Order Police in Poland; or the work of Huggins and Haritos-Fatouros on police torturers and death squads in Brazil, under the military dictatorship.

Finally, history is replete with examples of formerly tolerant societies becoming savagely intolerant--sometimes practically overnight.

To use just the most obvious example--anti-semitism--prejudice against Jews has waxed and waned throughout European history. European Jews made remarkable advances toward political and social equality in the early 19th-century, only to suffer a backlash in the latter part of the century. Zionism, in fact, arose in response to this backlash, and the hopes that it disappointed: Theodor Herzl, for example, was a thoroughly German Jew who embraced the cause of a Jewish state in response to the rise of explicitly anti-semitic political parties in his Austrian homeland, and to the concurrent upsurge of anti-semitism in France. And in Germany, Jews had been emancipated since 1848, and were well on their way toward achieving full equality when the triple disaster of the Great War, the Great Depression, and the rise of the Nazi Movement struck.

Frankly, your position flies, not just in the face of expert opinion, but of simple common sense.

So: where's your source?
 
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The entire discussion is pretty much a confirmation of what I already knew or suspected. So reasons are there, more or less, a little, and not at all. Some thinner than others, some being repeated throughout history. But nothing really definite to grasp.

What I didn't think of, though, (so thanks for bringing that up) are the gypsies. Equally persecuted, equally thin reasoning, equally homeless at that point. Which also reminds me of the Jevohah's Witnesses, who were also put in concentration camps for their beliefs.
 
For the Nazis, it wasn't about the religion per se. It was a race thing. They actually believed that the Jewish people were a different race. Their beliefs didn't matter so much.
 
For the Nazis it wasn't about religion at all, christian baptised "Jews" and even "Jews" who's parents had already been baptised, and of course non-religious "Jews" were considered just as jewish as religious Jews. Historically, racist anti-judaism is rather "modern" though, that was a product of the late 18th/19th century.
 
^ It wasn't about belief for the nazis when it came to the Jews, but it must have been when it came to the Jevohah's Witnesses. After all, they were aryan enough. And, as far as I know, they would have been released had they renounced their religion.
 
Yes, that's true. As far as I know, it was mostly about their refusal to participate in the war, so they even would have only had to "renounce" that specific part of their faith. Which, imo, makes it all the more admirable that they didn't.
 
It's not just the faith - I think their "exclusiveness" and simply being somewhat "different" in clothing, behaviour, etc. also pissed people off, but I think that was a very important part of the answer especially during the time you mentioned with all that "the Jews killed Jesus" stuff.


The Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did. The Jews just sold them the lumber. ;)
 
Frankly, I think a good bit of it is jealousy. And all of that "the Jews killed Jesus" stuff is mostly just used as a smoke screen thrown up in an attempt to justify racism and hatred with an excuse that, on the surface, sounds more palatable (even if it's not thought through in the slightest since Jesus was a Jew himself and in any event had to be killed in order to secure the very redemption those who use this excuse claim to value so highly).

The thing is that the Jews are, on average, one of the most highly educated and financially successful groups on earth. And everyone hates a winner.

But then, to add insult to injury, no matter how much you persecute them, they survive...and even thrive. And we are talking here about surviving some of the most heinous acts of genocide and genocidal regimes in history - not just a few blips in the intolerance radar.

And that refusal to stay down - even after you beat them to a figurative pulp, REALLY pisses people off. :lol:

See, the thing is that for the most part, Jewish people don't tolerate whining and excuse-making among their own ranks - and that is the secret of their success. In Jewish circles, prejudice and even outright persecution are not tolerated as excuses for lack of success. "They won't let us into their country club? Well, screw them! But no point in sitting about whining about it, though. We'll build our OWN country club, and make it nicer and more exclusive than theirs!" :lol: "They won't let us into their schools? Fine - we'll set up our own school system that is even better." "We can't make partner in the WASP-y law firms and accounting firms? Fine, we'll build our own firms, and beat them at their own game."

But just because they don't allow whining and excuse-making among themselves doesn't mean they don't remember what they've been through throughout history. In fact, the Jews have a very GOOD memory, make no mistake about that! It is no wonder that the Jews are so stubborn about matters related to Israel, and refuse to negotiate. Because pretty much every SINGLE time throughout history that a non-Jew has ever held out a hand with a smile and pretended to be a 'friend', that handshake ending up being a death grip dragging them toward a pit to be shot or a gas chamber not-so-cleverly 'disguised' as a 'shower'.

Jeez....I wonder why the Jews are so 'stand-offish' and keep to themselves? :lol:

It's a mystery. :p
 
I would recommend Richard Kearney's book Strangers, Gods and Monsters - He does a great job explaining how, throughout history human beings have all needed an "other" to scapegoat - Isn't it interesting that the concept of scapegoating itself is a Jewish concept? Ironic.

Another thing to realize is that, since the Jews were expelled from England in the (I think) 1200s and from Spain in the late 1400s, that would leave kind of an 'imaginary vacuum'. No one is there to defend them - so conspiracy stories can grow unchecked. The church also encouraged the hatred of the Jews through the plays that they would put on for the people.

The Jews were also blamed for the Black Plague...poisoning the wells. True or not, that leads to a lot of food for the imagination.
 
msbae, the topic was going remarkably well given the subject matter until you had to push it with your comments about Jews and Germans that seem to be personal feelings of your own stated as fact rather than an examination of why you feel Jews have been persecuted. Nothing you said was warnable, but dial it back and use some common sense before posting.

More like the opinions I've heard from other people. All of my experiences with Hebrews have been quite nice. One of my aunts was married to a Jewish guy once. He was cool. Then, there was the Jewish friend I had in 9th grade who told me what my first name meant in Hebrew. That made me feel somewhat better about being named after an Apostle that once worked as a Roman Tax Collector... :p

Also, I happen to have a significant amount of German heritage So, I'll lambaste them with my words all I want. After destroying the Roman Empire, plunging Europe into a 900 year dark age, WW1, WW2 and their penchant for purposeful Genocide, they deserve a little vitriol.

The Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did. The Jews just sold them the lumber. ;)

That's the kind of sardonic humor I like to see. :techman:
 
Frankly, I think a good bit of it is jealousy. And all of that "the Jews killed Jesus" stuff is mostly just used as a smoke screen thrown up in an attempt to justify racism and hatred with an excuse that, on the surface, sounds more palatable (even if it's not thought through in the slightest since Jesus was a Jew himself and in any event had to be killed in order to secure the very redemption those who use this excuse claim to value so highly).

That's pretty much how I see it, too. A pseudo-reason which was all the justification needed for (let's say somewhat) smarter bigots, and a pretty darn good reason for the stupid ones.

I think this thread has me completely baffled. I just don't get why people jump so often and so excitedly on the opportunity to hate and dislike. It's so much more fun not to!
 
Some of Hitler's hatred of Jews was apparently an irrational conviction that a Jewish family doctor was responsible for the death of his beloved mother, who he was apparently obsessed with. Weird, as it is well documented now, that he had Jewish blood in his own family history, and was even subjected to blackmail about this by his nephew Patrick Hitler .
 
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