Original premise for Pic S.3 - Terry Matalas.....

[Headless_Hysteria]

I can imagine he wouldn't want to be in the Borg make-up again.

He could be assimilated in the same way Sidney, Mura, Esmar and the rest were assimilated. No prosthetics required.

If they had done a dual role for Stewart as Picard and Locutus, I think the appearances of Locutus would have been fairly minimal, with body doubles standing it for Stewart in many scenes and Stewart wearing only the face appliance in close-ups. I don't believe it would be difficult at all. If Stewart had said, if it were pitched to him, "Yeah, let's get Shakespearean here," they would have found a way to make it work.

With an iconic character like Locutus, a return should be saved for a movie. Or be left alone.

the entire proposal was "Seven visits various one-shot TNG planets and reads articles off Memory Alpha for 45 minutes"

No.

Certain places have to be acknowledged due to the development they received.

The political situation in 2401 suggests it won't be like TNG at all.

Romulans – allies, if the thawing of relations of the late 2370s held for most of the Romulans

Cardassian Republic – allies, but broke

Ferengi – allies, Federation membership pending.

Klingon Empire – maybe allies? the Khitomer Accords were restored, but they were absent in PIC. For narrative reasons, it might be better if they're neither allies or enemies.

Fenris Rangers - patrolling the lawless areas outside of Federation space, from the former Neutral Zone to the Cardassian DMZ; fill the former role of the Maquis, but with more terriorty to control

Talarians – enemies; likely getting a tech upgrade by the Klingons

Give the Ent-G a cloak, and a coaxial warp drive, and keep the families off the starship, and it won't feel like the Ent-D.

At times I feel like all three seasons of Picard are three completely separate one-season series under an umbrella title, if that makes sense. There's a little more connection between 1 and 2 than there is between 2 and 3, and for that reason I consider Picard, as a whole, to be less than the sum of its parts.

In fact, I think it might have been a better story than the:

"Picard and Beverly's 'love child', (which Beverly hid from Picard); is used by a psychotic Changeling and a dying Borg Queen to take over the Federation... *a plan 30 years in the making too."

At least for me Locutus is a more interesting villain than the umpteenth 'Borg Queen'.

Hell, Picard and Co. beat a Borg Queen in PIC S2.

They should have used Jurati as the mastermind instead of the Borg Queen. The reasons for Jurati breaking bad were already there – the loneliness alluded to by the Borg Queen in S2, and having seen what the Federation had become with the synth ban and abandonment of Romulans and how it make Picard walk away from Starfleet. and it’s a bit more plausible that she’s contact the Changelings since she had been flying around for 200 years and would be aware of the Dominion War.

I would posit that Seven is already held in very high regard by the majority of the fanbase. Everything we know about what the hypothetical Legacy series would have been could have actually tarnished her reputation, by the fact she would be intrinsically linked to the nostalgia and nepo babies adventure hour.

I think the nepo baby issue is solved if Jack leaves, and the Shawlogram is in the counselor role. Jack always has the lingering Q thread to justify leaving anyways.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

With an iconic character like Locutus, a return should be saved for a movie. Or be left alone.

I dunno. Are there any Star Trek characters that iconic that they are too big for television? I'm not sure even Khan is that iconic, as much as Into Darkness tries to treat him as such.

 

[Danja]

I think the nepo baby issue is solved if Jack leaves, and the Shawlogram is in the counselor role. Jack always has the lingering Q thread to justify leaving anyways.

I see the Seven/Jack relationship as mirroring Seven and Janeway (Janeway wouldn't let Seven go; I can't see Seven letting Jack go.)

 

[Starflight]

No.

That really was the proposal.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

That really was the proposal.

I feel bad sometimes deriding Picard season 3 as "the post-Claremont mid-90s X-Men comic version of Star Trek," but that really does seem to be Matalas' vision -- he was given the reins to the toys he watched as a child, and he was going to do the things that he loved.

Twenty years ago when Pocket Books started the Titan novels, then-editor Marco Palmieri described it as "TOS for the TNG era," and, while I enjoyed the novels, that wasn't exactly true. TOS went new places every week, and a recurring element was rare. Titan started out with a sequel to Nemesis, a sequel to a movie-era TOS novel, and a sequel to "Farpoint."

Maybe that kind of approach is inherent in something called "Legacy." I'd rather see something new and mind-boggling.

 

[CampBOO!]

I see the Seven/Jack relationship as mirroring Seven and Janeway (Janeway wouldn't let Seven go; I can't see Seven letting Jack go.)

Janeway was an interesting character.
Seven was an interesting character.

Jack is a bore.

 

[Smear-Gel]

At times I feel like all three seasons of Picard are three completely separate one-season series under an umbrella title, if that makes sense. There's a little more connection between 1 and 2 than there is between 2 and 3, and for that reason I consider Picard, as a whole, to be less than the sum of its parts.

I forgot to respond to this but I agree, it's 3 self contained seasons, but not in the way that it feels like 3 stories happening one after the other, it feels like 3 stories actively trying to ignore or undermine what came before. To the point where season 2 ends with a new wormhole that's the framing device of the entire season, that is never brought up again and at this rate never will.

Ferengi – allies, Federation membership pending.

They were starting negotiations to be in the Federation in 2381 via Lower Decks, PIC pretends LD doesnt exist but it would be egregious if 20 years passed and there was no progression on that, they'd certainly be in the Federation by a hypothetical Legacy show.

That being said, discussion around the show was pretty exclusively "Seven goes and meets A and B legacy actor and goes to X and Y legacy planet." It's not the show's potential but it was certainly the show's pitch. Would love to look at the new status quo that is presented in Picard, but Picard seemed uninterested in doing that, jumping to the past for an entire season instead and then doing that again in season 3, just metaphorically. And then the show ends with yet another new big tragic event for everyone to be affected by so that the characters can talk about that instead of 25th century politics.

 

[Smear-Gel]

We get it, World War 3 and the Dominion War were big deals. Now it feels like every show needs to be in the middle of a big event (Klingon War, Frontier Day, someone who's seen ENT tell me if the Temporal Cold War fits here), or immediately come after a big event (Klingon War again, Mars Attacks, The Burn), so that everyone can talk about that big event all the time.

 

[Danja]

Janeway was an interesting character.
Seven was an interesting character.

Jack is a bore.

The writing barely scratched the surface with Jack.

Seven and Janeway both got dumped on during Voyager's original run ("Janeway's a lunatic! Seven sux! She's ruining the show!")

 

[CampBOO!]

The writing barely scratched the surface with Jack.

Seven and Janeway both got dumped on during Voyager's original run ("Janeway's a lunatic! Seven sux! She's ruining the show!")

That’s a huge generalization. Voyager by far was not my favorite series but I never had issue with those two characters. As for Jack, while what you suggest might be true, it does not appear that this series is going forward so it’s kind of a moot point. Additionally, if it did, I don’t have a lot of faith in the character if Matalas writes him.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

The writing barely scratched the surface with Jack.

I disagree, the writing indulged on Jack heavily, almost obsessively. Look how smart he is, look how brave he is, look how much Sidney is smitten with him, look how special he is.

He was a character created from the lowest common denominator of tropes, perhaps even a self-insert, was a total mary sue and terribly cast.

Picard season 3 was, as we know, a fanfic written some 20 years ago and barely updated to fit with modern shows because they hired someone with no creativity. It can hardly keep in continuity with the other two seasons less to say about how it tried to disregard other series as well. There's absolutely no way that Legacy as presented would tell a coherent story that fit in with anything other than this season.

Seven of Nine is a great character in her own right, she does not need to be captain of the Enterprise to achieve that status and being so would not elevate her in the eyes of people who weren't fond of her.

If anything, Legacy under Matalas' narrow vision would probably end up doing a disservice to Seven's character and lowering her standing in people's eyes.

 

[DonIago]

Apologies if I brought this up before, but I still think it was incredibly awful that both S1 of Prodigy and S3 of PIC ended with an external force causing Starfleet vessels to turn on each other and inflict massive damage. I'm assuming the writers of both shows weren't particularly in contact with each other, but still...

 

[Fire(BOO!)]

Seven of Nine is a great character in her own right, she does not need to be captain of the Enterprise to achieve that status and being so would not elevate her in the eyes of people who weren't fond of her.

If anything, Legacy under Matalas' narrow vision would probably end up doing a disservice to Seven's character and lowering her standing in people's eyes.

Completely agreed here. Putting Seven in a Starfleet uniform and in command of a starship is a critical misread of her character. As a Fenris Ranger, it felt far more right for her arc, given how Starfleet turned their back on her. The Seven of Picard's third season doesn't feel right at all. She feels like a bad rehash of Beckett Mariner.

If only more shows would've had the gumption of DS9 to say and - most importantly - commit to saying that not everybody has to be in Starfleet to find value.

 

[fireproof78]

only more shows would've had the gumption of DS9 to say and - most importantly - commit to saying that not everybody has to be in Starfleet to find value.

I don't think any will. Starfleet is the peak of humanity and it's work to better themselves. And this dates back to Voyager and DS9 at least.

 

[David cgc]

Apologies if I brought this up before, but I still think it was incredibly awful that both S1 of Prodigy and S3 of PIC ended with an external force causing Starfleet vessels to turn on each other and inflict massive damage. I'm assuming the writers of both shows weren't particularly in contact with each other, but still...

Don't forget PIC season 1, LDS season 1, and the Resurgence video game all ended with Riker flying in to the rescue at the last minue.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Apologies if I brought this up before, but I still think it was incredibly awful that both S1 of Prodigy and S3 of PIC ended with an external force causing Starfleet vessels to turn on each other and inflict massive damage. I'm assuming the writers of both shows weren't particularly in contact with each other, but still...

Don't forget Lower Decks season 3, which had AI controlled ships with daddy issues tearing through ships.

 

[Mudd]

Don't forget PIC season 1, LDS season 1, and the Resurgence video game all ended with Riker flying in to the rescue at the last minue.

Frakes gotta eat.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Frakes gotta eat.

 

[Tuskin38]

Don't forget PIC season 1, LDS season 1, and the Resurgence video game all ended with Riker flying in to the rescue at the last minue.

For PIC 1 and LDS 1, that was a coincidence, I believe Mike said in an interview that he would have changed it if he knew Picard was doing that. There was no communication between the teams there.

Communication between the shows did get better as the years went on however.

and it happened in the background in Blood and Chrome.

Most of that set was CG, which probably made it easier.

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[Smear-Gel]

Apologies if I brought this up before, but I still think it was incredibly awful that both S1 of Prodigy and S3 of PIC ended with an external force causing Starfleet vessels to turn on each other and inflict massive damage. I'm assuming the writers of both shows weren't particularly in contact with each other, but still...

Don't forget Lower Decks season 3, which had AI controlled ships with daddy issues tearing through ships.

This is especially egregious because it was 3 Star Trek seasons in a row with the same season finale, just getting increasingly worse. One highlights the collective power of the Starfleet, one highlights the honor of the different alien species that the Federation may interact with, and one honors the TNG crew.

The Stars at Night being an anti AI message about how humans are an important aspect of society, that the human connection is what makes what we do special, that we are more powerful than anything when we come together and use our collective power, that even smaller parts of society can still produce amazing people.

Supernova Part 2 about how despite being from different places and cultures that have opposing views and may not all get along, it is possible for us to come together and that in the end, we will choose saving life over arguing over those differences when the time comes.

The Last Generation about how young people will be tricked by technology into destroying society and that the old guard needs to step in to save the new generation from themselves.