Streaming era missed opportunities

[Steve Roby]

In other news, at some point in the last hundred pages someone mentioned Michael Chabon leaving Picard after season one, making it sound kind of like he was pushed out. He left because he had the opportunity to work on an adaptation of his bestselling and Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay. It was a big deal that Chabon, a guy with both nerd culture and literary culture credibility, signed on to do Star Trek, whether you've heard of him or not. It was not much of a big deal that a guy with two story credits on Enterprise took over.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

Easy, Tiger.

Apologies. I let old arguments get the better of me. Apologies to @TRON JA307020, as well. I shouldn't have brought old arguments into this thread.

 

[fireproof78]

In other news, at some point in the last hundred pages someone mentioned Michael Chabon leaving Picard after season one, making it sound kind of like he was pushed out. He left because he had the opportunity to work on an adaptation of his bestselling and Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay. It was a big deal that Chabon, a guy with both nerd culture and literary culture credibility, signed on to do Star Trek, whether you've heard of him or not. It was not much of a big deal that a guy with two story credits on Enterprise took over.

No, he was not pushed out. But, the implication of the logic of the argument was that the powers that be were displeased with Season 1 and so replaced him.

It's not what happened but it's the logic of how Season 3 became the bestest ever...or something

 

[fireproof78]

Christ on a cracker guys. ....it's just a fun little discussion. Relax.

Unless you don't like Season 3 of Picard and then it's serious business time.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

We also don't know why they would preserve a saucer when ship resources were so tight they had to use an old computer core to build up Shaw's TITAN.

Wasn't that just a tweet made because they left in the part about the Titan being Riker's old ship in the script (until they were forced to accept Lower Decks was canon and couldn't make Riker's Titan a Constitution) and had to try and explain it away and not actually an officially mentioned thing?

 

[fireproof78]

Wasn't that just a tweet made because they left in the part about the Titan being Riker's old ship in the script (until they were forced to accept Lower Decks was canon and couldn't make Riker's Titan a Constitution) and had to try and explain it away and not actually an officially mentioned thing?

That I'm relying on memory means you are probably right that it wasn't in the show.

 

[Count Darcula70]

Unless you don't like Season 3 of Picard and then it's serious business time.

No one is mad that you don't like it. That is perfectly fine man. If I question something that doesn't make sense in SNW.or Disco...I get generally the same answer....."it's always been like that" or "who cares?"

You don't have to accept that the D saved made any sense. I had fun coming up with some reasons.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

You don't have to accept that the D saved made any sense. I had fun coming up with some reasons.

I think in a time where they have far more time and money and are putting out less product, they should be doing a better job of making the stories make sense. It eventually gets tiresome to go "that's just Star Trek" with a shrug.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

That I'm relying on memory means you are probably right that it wasn't in the show.

I am also relying on memory and it was like 3 years ago now and that amount of time does some serious contorting to the old noggin

 

[fireproof78]

No one is mad that you don't like it. That is perfectly fine man. If I question something that doesn't make sense in SNW.or Disco...I get generally the same answer....."it's always been like that" or "who cares?"

You don't have to accept that the D saved made any sense. I had fun coming up with some reasons.

I am more baffled by the double standard.

I'm willing to come up with reasons but then I'm "excusing bad writing," or "disrespecting Star Trek."


Season 3 and it's popularity were thrown around as though popular counted for something so I made my arguments why it doesn't work for me.

I could have lots of fun with reasons for every Star Trek. It just gets applied unevenly.

 

[Count Darcula70]

I think in a time where they have far more time and money and are putting out less product, they should be doing a better job of making the stories make sense. It eventually gets tiresome to go "that's just Star Trek" with a shrug.

Can't deny that.

 

[Count Darcula70]

I am more baffled by the double standard.

I'm willing to come up with reasons but then I'm "excusing bad writing," or "disrespecting Star Trek."


Season 3 and it's popularity were thrown around as though popular counted for something so I made my arguments why it doesn't work for me.

I could have lots of fun with reasons for every Star Trek. It just gets applied unevenly.

If people came up with some reasons for stuff I have brought up I would be more than willing to read it and comment on it. But I rarely see it. I do try myself to make sense of certain things. I even came up with a very convoluted reason for the turbolift interiors. I did sincerely try. But I just wasnt happy with my solution..

 

[fireproof78]

If people came up with some reasons for stuff I have brought up I would be more than willing to read it and comment on it. But I rarely see it. I do try myself to make sense of certain thing. I even came up with a very convoluted reason for the turbolift interiors. I did sincerely try. But I just wasnt happy with my solution..

I could do it just fine.


But, you get kicked down enough by Trek fans and adherence to canon over 30 years and one tends to give up.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

I could do it just fine.


But, you get kicked down enough by Trek fans and adherence to canon over 30 years and one tends to give up.

Try mentioning the multiverse!

 

[fireproof78]

Try mentioning the multiverse!

Yup.

Or defending Kelvin films, Abrams as a good director, Burnham making sense, or (going way back) that ENTERPRISE wasn't a soulless cash grab CBS.

And definitely don't mention emotions being normal or professional to experience and express!

 

[Kount Korbula]

picard may have said it was unsalvageable in his log, believing it to be so, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was so, or that the removal team didn't reevaluate it.

it's very possible the saucer was raised, in whole or in part (and then stapled together), stripped for usable parts, and the hulk of it put in the starfleet museum on it's own. similar has been done irl. there's at least one submarine one of my naval history youtubers did a video on that was raised and just sitting in three chunks on a dock next to a museum, but there were plans on at least putting the pieces back together and painting it so it looks correct.

and it just wasn't worth the time or effort to render it (the saucer) down completely during the dominion war.

the most improbable part of the whole thing is geordi restoring it secretly and siglehandedly. i suppose he may have had some not-nanmos or other drones, but...

Honestly, having a Fleet Museum kinda flies in the face of humanity having transitioned away from a culture obsessed with the accumulation of things to begin with.

i think of it more of acumulating knowledge and learning from the past. certainly they haven't given up on things like archaeology.

It was a refit of the titan. It was an almost entirely new titan. Same thing happened to the 1701 back in TMP. A refit is different than fixing a ship

a refit usually is just properly fixing is also very different than building an entirely different ship and using some of the parts off of an old one. what happened with TMP is believable given what happened with multiple early 20th century warships; what happened with Titan is akin to taking all the missile fire control computers and live ammo off of the new jersey when she became a museum ship, and after putting some of them on new built Arleigh Burke, saying that was the same ship.

i liked picard season three, mainly because it felt less dour that the other two seasons, but i recognise it's built on a pile of weird premises and full of missed opportunities.

anyway, i am pretty sure the intent of this thread was things we think they could have or should have done, not yelling at each other over things they did do that we do or don't like.

like perhaps making guided tours of virtual starships, using the casts of the relevant series (if living)

 

[Rose Harper]

I'm sure Quark would love to get his hands on pieces of Enterprise-D to sell as souvenirs.

It's Quark. he's selling random bits of metal and calling them parts of the D.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[Rose Harper]

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I'm not a fan of OTAY. More pandering .

 

[CampBOO!]

picard may have said it was unsalvageable in his log, believing it to be so, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was so, or that the removal team didn't reevaluate it.

That era Picard doesn’t seem to be one who wouldn’t go with info from those around him. He always used his experts. Except when ever Worf wanted to blow shit up. I tend to take him at his word that’s what the experts said.