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Why didn't the Kurtzman era develop an interconnected story?

eschaton

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Hey all,

With the Kurtzman era of Trek likely almost over, I'm looking back on everything, and considering how, despite occasional comments he made about wanting to have an "Avengers-style teamup" the conditions were pretty much never in place to have the shows be interconnected.

Much of this, of course, just comes down to how divided the timeline of modern Trek is. You essentially have DIS Seasons 1/2 and SNW as TOS prequel shows, LDS immediately post-Nemesis/pre ST09, PRO essentially happening a few years later than this, PIC happening a few decades thereafter, and then DIS Seasons 3-5 and SFA occurring in the 32nd century. With decades to centuries of time between each of the installments, absent time shenanigans, it's really hard to get people jumping from one to another, let alone to get a big multi-show story arc going on. Of course, there were some little one-off things, like having Mariner and Boimler show up in an episode of Strange New Worlds, and having the finale of Prodigy loop back to the Romulan supernova. But overall, the shows were more content to reference things from earlier Trek series rather than one another.

As a result, the most ambitious multi-series arc of Trek remains the Maquis plotline from the Berman era. Created to provide backstory for Voyager, it was given two episodes of setup in TNG (Journey's End and Preemptive Strike) and given development across 15 episodes of DS9 stretching from the second to the sixth season. Yeah, Voyager squandered that setup due to network interference, so it meant little after Caretaker, but it still an ambitious vision.

To be clear, I'm not necessarily arguing that Star Trek should've tried to ape the MCU. Hell, even the MCU has struggled to be the MCU in the post-covid environment. But I have been shocked at how little was done to give the idea of a potential longer-form "story" involving characters across multiple shows. Everything has felt like its own little one-off experiments, which has given the franchise a bit of a "throw everything against the wall and see what sticks" vibe at times, rather than having a grand vision.
 
I am thankful this never happened. I'm okay with each Trek show being its own thing, telling its own story.

I'm not so much saying it's a good thing, as I'm saying I'm surprised they didn't even try.

I mean, even looking at the Disney+ Star Wars, although there were things doing their own thing, like Andor and The Acolyte, they set a bunch of shows in/around the time of The Mandalorian, which allowed characters to bop in and out (and seems to be setting up for a team-up movie/show in the future, if Filoni can get away with it).

Of course, none of the shows during the Kurtzman era even bothered with long-form storytelling internal to the shows. Every season of Discovery has a largely disconnected story, and Picard has even wilder swings, where each season kind of undercuts the development of the ones preceding it.
 
Modern movie and TV franchises have become overly obsessed with having everything gearing towards some larger serialized story point, and honestly I'm bored by it. I'm glad each of the Kurtzman era shows have told their own story without having to depend on it continuing somewhere else. I don't want my viewing habits to have to turn into a bunch of homework in order to understand what the hell is going on.
 
Modern movie and TV franchises have become overly obsessed with having everything gearing towards some larger serialized story point, and honestly I'm bored by it. I'm glad each of the Kurtzman era shows have told their own story without having to depend on it continuing somewhere else. I don't want my viewing habits to have to turn into a bunch of homework in order to understand what the hell is going on.
Indeed. Honestly, it's how DS9, VOY and ENT started to feel, much less the books and such. Lots of homework.
 
Having any kind of interconnectivity would be difficult given at first there was no real communication between the different shows. This was shown to be problematic when it resulted in the first seasons of Picard and Lower Decks having basically similar endings, with Riker coming in to save the day in both finales. Because of this it was decided there should be a level of coordination between the shows, which led to one of the modern era's other more infamous kerfluffles, Terry Matalas deciding to make the Titan the Shangri-La derived Neo Constitution class and then learning the ship was featured on Lower Decks where it was the Luna class from the novels, leading to a hasty and messy reboot establishing this Titan is somehow a new ship and a refit or some such.

Besides, even though I enjoyed the SNW/Lower Decks crossover quite a bit, it does show how problematic an interconnected world between the current shows can be as it's easily the one episode of SNW which kind of stands apart and doesn't really fit all that organically with the other episodes. It just screams "Event Gimmick Episode" a feeling which admittedly is reinforced by having it air on a different day than usual as well, but there we are.
 
There's been plenty of crossover within the shows to give that sense of connection. SNW has had references to Discovery. Discovery brought back the Qowat Milat, referenced Altan Soong and had one of his synths, twice name dropped Admiral Picard. Academy has references and imported characters from Discovery.

The Kurzman era has made sure what it has brought to the franchise is felt across multiple shows and not just referenced the previous eras.

It is as one. It is as one.
 
McCoy's cameo in "Encounter at Farpoint" is exactly the right amount of crossover, IMHO. We don't need more than that.

That's not what I'm talking about, because TOS and TNG didn't overlap in production.

If you want to talk about things like that, there are many, many cases of modern Trek referencing earlier Trek series. TOS references are all over early Discovery and SNW. Picard was a direct follow-up to TNG (explicitly a sequel by season 3). Lower Decks' humor is at least 1/3rd of the time based in stuff established in Berman trek. Prodigy effectively developed by the end into a semi-sequel to Voyager (with Wesley included for some reason). Even Starfleet Academy included a coda to DS9 in its first season, in spite of taking pace in the far future.

What I'm talking about is shows running more or less concurrently which actively build off one another. This doesn't have to be cameos, it can also be unresolved plot threads from earlier shows followed up in later ones, allowing for the impression of a living, breathing world that changes over time, rather than a stage crisis where everything is wrapped with a bow when the episode/season is over.
 
That's not what I'm talking about, because TOS and TNG didn't overlap in production.

If you want to talk about things like that, there are many, many cases of modern Trek referencing earlier Trek series. TOS references are all over early Discovery and SNW. Picard was a direct follow-up to TNG (explicitly a sequel by season 3). Lower Decks' humor is at least 1/3rd of the time based in stuff established in Berman trek. Prodigy effectively developed by the end into a semi-sequel to Voyager (with Wesley included for some reason). Even Starfleet Academy included a coda to DS9 in its first season, in spite of taking pace in the far future.

What I'm talking about is shows running more or less concurrently which actively build off one another. This doesn't have to be cameos, it can also be unresolved plot threads from earlier shows followed up in later ones, allowing for the impression of a living, breathing world that changes over time, rather than a stage crisis where everything is wrapped with a bow when the episode/season is over.
They kind of did? "Strange New Worlds" Spun off of "Discovery". "Starfleet Academy" spun off of "Discovery" as well. They used the old Berman Era formula to launch their shows with one show setting up the other. Most fans ignore this though.

"Strange New Worlds" IS highly speculated to have spun into the proposed "Star Trek Year One" although I'm guessing that's not happening.

As for shows picking up previous ones plot points---not sure any of the writing staffs considered that?

All shows seemed more into arc based formats, perfectly suited for streaming audiences.

I'm uncertain what you're really attempting to get at because they pretty much did everything you say they didn't---AND had characters crossover into other shows----Tilly into Academy. Spock from Discovery into SNW, etc.
 
That's not what I'm talking about, because TOS and TNG didn't overlap in production.

If you want to talk about things like that, there are many, many cases of modern Trek referencing earlier Trek series. TOS references are all over early Discovery and SNW. Picard was a direct follow-up to TNG (explicitly a sequel by season 3). Lower Decks' humor is at least 1/3rd of the time based in stuff established in Berman trek. Prodigy effectively developed by the end into a semi-sequel to Voyager (with Wesley included for some reason). Even Starfleet Academy included a coda to DS9 in its first season, in spite of taking pace in the far future.

What I'm talking about is shows running more or less concurrently which actively build off one another. This doesn't have to be cameos, it can also be unresolved plot threads from earlier shows followed up in later ones, allowing for the impression of a living, breathing world that changes over time, rather than a stage crisis where everything is wrapped with a bow when the episode/season is over.
Honestly, I prefer the latter. YMMV.
 
That's not what I'm talking about, because TOS and TNG didn't overlap in production.

If you want to talk about things like that, there are many, many cases of modern Trek referencing earlier Trek series. TOS references are all over early Discovery and SNW. Picard was a direct follow-up to TNG (explicitly a sequel by season 3). Lower Decks' humor is at least 1/3rd of the time based in stuff established in Berman trek. Prodigy effectively developed by the end into a semi-sequel to Voyager (with Wesley included for some reason). Even Starfleet Academy included a coda to DS9 in its first season, in spite of taking pace in the far future.

What I'm talking about is shows running more or less concurrently which actively build off one another. This doesn't have to be cameos, it can also be unresolved plot threads from earlier shows followed up in later ones, allowing for the impression of a living, breathing world that changes over time, rather than a stage crisis where everything is wrapped with a bow when the episode/season is over.

I see what youre saying. But I think it would have been a logistical nightmare. TNG, DS9 abs VOY did a bit of this to show they were all.un the same interconnected universe but they kept it light. We get picard in the first episode of DS9. It makes sense since hes close to the bajoran people. Later we get Bashir having an adventure with Data in TNG. We got Tom and Harry on DS9 just before they head out into the unknown. These are sprinkles. I know its not exactly what youre thinking but it was pretty cool back in the day. We got a little of that with SFA their furst season. Just a nice way to say hey this is the same universe.
 
All the Kurtzman era shows seem to have been constructed as standalones, that is viewers didn't need to see the other current shows to make sense of them though references to pre-Kurtzman shows/movies were made more liberally.

Also to begin with Discovery and Picard for instance were on different streamers internationally (Netflix and Amazon Prime respectively) which potentially would've made any cross-references awkward. Timeline-wise they were all over the place and had different audiences/genres from kids animation to adult comedy to gritty GoT-esque drama. Compare that to the Berman era where the shows were pretty similar overall and took place in the same timeframe except Enterprise though that came at the end of that era.

A cross-show story probably would've been quite tricky to pull off, would've forced Paramount+ to schedule the shows in a certain way wheras because the shows were essentially separate they could release them however they wanted which gave them flexibility to deal with real word events like the pandemic and writer's strikes.
 
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