Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 4x01 - "Valles Marineris"

[Trekker4747]

What's her favorite food? Where'd she go to school? What are her hobbies? Did she get stung by a bee when she was 7?

Oh, "back of the collectors card" stuff. I don't have this series as watched as I do TNG but I'm sure by now we've heard her casual situations enough that these things can be extrapolated. There's been 31 episodes, that equates to a full season of "regular TV" plus a few more into the next one. How many times does Picard order a tea in that span?

I'm a fan of Ortegas too and I wanted to see more of her, know more about her and "TOWT Gorn" (titling like an episode of Friends) completely satisfied me.

 

[Noname Given]

I found this interesting *-Given all the 'did they have a science advisor on this one' posts:

If another advanced civilization lived on Earth before us, would we know?

Two scientists explored the idea that there was another civilizaton before humans, which harnessed energy and wiped itself out. To investigate, they looked deep into the Earth’s past but also far into...

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...Around 55 million years ago, the planet's climate signals went haywire. Global temperatures spiked up to 15 degrees Fahrenheit and ecosystems collapsed, as huge amounts of planet-heating carbon were injected into the atmosphere...

 

[26138]

I found this interesting *-Given all the 'did they have a science advisor on this one' posts:

If another advanced civilization lived on Earth before us, would we know?

Two scientists explored the idea that there was another civilizaton before humans, which harnessed energy and wiped itself out. To investigate, they looked deep into the Earth’s past but also far into...

www.yahoo.com

Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster teamed up with the Ancient Aliens to rebuild society, obviously!

 

[Guy Gardener]

And she had a model spitfire and a model Walker class starship. She makes paper planes in homage to old pilots so has a love of aviation history. We can probably infer she served on a Walker maybe during the Klingon war which we know she served in.

Show don't tell is an art lost on second screen viewers.

A while back the internet was screaming "Is she gay?"

Still no word on that, but are they trying to pair her off with Scotty?

 

[Detached Nacelle]

A while back the internet was screaming "Is she gay?"

Still no word on that, but are they trying to pair her off with Scotty?

The Scotty/Uhura tease would suggest no. Ortegas is going to be who drives Scotty to his rampant alcoholism.

 

[cooleddie74]

And the Scotty and Uhura thing plants the seed for what we see in TFF. Yeah, that didn't pay off in any way whatsoever and it's over 25 years away in-universe, but at least now the Scotty and Uhura stuff in the fifth movie doesn't come completely out of nowhere.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Costumes for the Martians give off a kind of TOS vibe. Though Theiss would "sexed up" Cassell. The make up has a minimalist look that showed up in TOS as well.

 

[cooleddie74]

Totally makes sense the Martians look human. Makes it easier for their DNA to migrate one orbit over and seed Earth and blend with the primate population that will one day arise, plus, hey, totally in line with Trek having so many species that are just humans with face paint and/or funny costumes.

 

[26138]

Totally makes sense the Martians look human. Makes it easier for their DNA to migrate one orbit over and seed Earth and blend with the primate population that will one day arise, plus, hey, totally in line with Trek having so many species that are just humans with face paint and/or funny costumes.

Don't forget the common "glue some stuff to their forehead" look!

 

[Noname Given]

Don't forget the common "glue some stuff to their forehead" look!

That looked more ornamental than biological. The only non-,human thing I noticed was the Elf-like ears.

 

[Landru1000]

But Star Trek does both, otherwise the City on the Edge of Forever would not work.

"City" works better for me because Kirk is trying to minimize the time travelers' interference with past events. Whereas Pike is enabling the destruction of a planet that wouldn't have occurred without the time travelers' presence. I get the irony of the predestination paradox, etc. but that just muddies the waters for me. The timeline where time travelers interfere with the natural course of events becomes the one that "should" exist, simply because it's the one we know. But a lot of this is rooted in the essential human chauvinism of Star Trek, and not unique to this episode by any means.

 

[Noname Given]

"City" works better for me because Kirk is trying to minimize the time travelers' interference with past events. Whereas Pike is enabling the destruction of a planet that wouldn't have occurred without the time travelers' presence. I get the irony of the predestination paradox, etc. but that just muddies the waters for me. The timeline where time travelers interfere with the natural course of events becomes the one that "should" exist, simply because it's the one we know. But a lot of this is rooted in the essential human chauvinism of Star Trek, and not unique to this episode by any means.

There is no 'time traveller's interface' here.

Pike and the 1701 were ALWAYS a part of these events in the same way Kirk and the 1701 were always a part of the events depicted in TOS S2 Assignment Earth which is evidenced by the fact Kirk and Spock find out that there is a historical record of a failed orbital warhead launched that was exploded 104 miles above the Earth.

 

[Spider]

but....but....65 million years ago was one million years after Chicxulub impact.....

Unless their trip to the past did even more damage than was percieved. I guess.

Good episode though.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Mostly agree, except for the Carol Kane thing. Sorry, I have a soft spot for her

Most people do. I always found her annoying. In everything. And in this series, a little goes a long way.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

Princess of Mars. Pity there was no John Carter to back her up just kidding

I saw this on the high seas...... harrrrrrrrr harrrrrrrrrr

Great episode solid 9 for me. I don't care about stupid arguments about time travel if Pike hadn't done what he did he would likely never have existed. Actually does that mean they would fade out of existence like the photos in Back To The Future? I wondered what might have happened had he saved Mars, but then changed my mind preferring to keep the timeline as it was

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Actually does that mean they would fade out of existence like the photos in Back To The Future? I wondered what might have happened had he saved Mars, but then changed my mind preferring to keep the timeline as it was

That is how time travel is portrayed unless some kind of anomaly, shielding or entity protects someone from the timeline. It's remarkably consistent with that rule.

The Krenim incursions changed all of history leading up to Year of Hell. E2 disappeared. Yesterday's Enterprise timeline faded away. Daniels was mid transport and arrived in a version of 3000 where the Federation had never existed. The Gaia colony was erased from existence. The Confederation timeline never happened.

The only way for an alternate timeline to continue is if it was always a separate universe right from the get go.

 

[Mudd]

The original series supporting characters weren't really characters to speak of. The actors who played them became popular with fans at conventions in the 1970s. So they got hired as regulars in the movies. And still got no development.

Erica has had more development and Navia has had better material to play in the last two seasons than Sulu, Uhura, Chekov or a good part of the casts of the Roddenberry/Berman era shows.

 

[26138]

That looked more ornamental than biological. The only non-,human thing I noticed was the Elf-like ears.

I meant that it's a common thing they did in trek to make aliens, not that these specific aliens had that.

 

[Mudd]

KIRK: I had to let Edith Keller die so that Starfleet and the Federation could come to be.

PIKE: I hear ya. I had to stand by and let a planet be destroyed so that humanity would exist.

KIRK: Oh yeah? Well i...Okay, I got nuthin'.

 

[SpockOfNine]

As someone who loved S1 & S2 but was pretty ambivalent about S3, this episode won me back over! The writing is much cleaner than in S3, which was affected by the writer's strike.

I find it deeply fascinating that Pike's in action led to the obliteration of one society, the slow death of a second and the promise of two new interstellar species being born in the future (Voth & Humanity).

The ending of the episode has me thinking - what if the Martians do slowly die out but they choose to uplift a Hadrosaur species and make them intelligent via genetic engineering. Like a last act of a dying species brings forth the birth of a new one.