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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x08 – “The Life of the Stars”

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7/10

Not a huge theater buff so the Our Town dissection did not do much for me. In fact I very much disliked the humanities type courses they make you take in college. Just not for me so I pretty much tuned that part of the episode out. This was certainly not how I expected Tilly to return since this was not an aspect of her character that was ever demonstrated before, but neither was dancing Dr. Crusher back in the day I suppose.

Terina getting yanked from WC against her will was kinda crappy. Why was she in a different uniform than the rest if their goal was to make her feel welcome and fit in after a traumatic event? Lets make sure she sticks out like a sore thumb.

The Doctor was that torn up about his holographic non-sentient family from 900 years ago, that he never once in two other series brought up before, he treated SAM like shit because of it is a stretch. The Doctor would hold anyone's hand that asked him to that was clearly in distress, he's not an asshole in that way. The scenes were well acted by Picardo though. Now The Doctor has a daughter thanks to the super convenient time dilation planet that SAM just happened to be from...

:shrug:
 
The real answer is that people are breaking the law all the time and going back to stop the Burn every day.

They just keep blowing up right before they get there cuz they can't get to before the Burn without hitting the Burn itself.

It would be funny if it weren't so... Well, no, it's still a little funny.

Leave the milky way galaxy.

Look for a nearby black hole.

Time travel.

Go back to the milky way galaxy.
 
Jammer gave the ep a very bad review…. 🤔 was not expecting that, I think he’s way too harsh with this one…

I didn't he did these anymore. I had a look, and I have to say: word for word, this is how I felt about this episode, although given some of the more embarrassing moments we've seen this season ("Vitus Reflux" especially), I wouldn't have put quite this harsh a rating on it. Although I guess my 5/10 is close enough to his 1.5 out of 4 stars.
 
Who exactly are you referring to here? Tilly? Tarima? SAM? Tarima is a regular and has been featured a several episodes. She's the sister of one character and the girlfriend of another. SAM is a character who's part of the core group of cadets and has interacted will all of them.

This can't be your first foray into episodic TV. "Instant' connections between characters an another happen weekly, often between a regular and guest star. Burnham and Saru can be friends and rivals. Much like Spock had an adversarial relationship with McCoy, yet liked each other. Airiam was essentially the guest star in her episode. And like guest stars in past Treks, met a tragic end. All we need to know (and care) about her was covered in the episode. It wasn't "gaslighting" by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh, I've seen plenty of episodic TV - but Discovery was not even episodic, nor is SA. I'll buy your argument about TOS, but that is not the same format as the more recent Trek shows. TOS had to, and did, create and resolve whatever character conflict was needed within its 50 minutes. The newer shows don't "forget" about what happened last week. I think we're agreed on that fact.

The question is: do you stay true to what happened last week? Is it congruent with that? And have the appropriate steps been taken to get the story to the climax that you want to achieve eventually. All drama is in some way written to effect, where a story will most of the time be constructed 'from the end', as it were: this is where we want to end up, so how do we get there? And most importantly: will it resonate once we do? To achieve that effect, the emotional involvement of the audience must be built up.

The classic show that did this best IMO was ER. Aside from their episodic content, they always featured season-long arcs often having to do with doctors' relationships and/or personal issues. A case in point because I recently rewatched that: the truly gut-wrenching departure of Anthony Edwards' character Mark Green, who dies of a brain tumor. Clearly the idea was to have him die off-screen, then do a flashback episode showing his final days in Hawaii. The drama in this single episode comes from the fact that he wants to make amends with some of his estranged family members, his teenage daughter especially, but also his wife who was also a regular on the show. The premise that the super sweet and loving and considerate Mark Green would even be in such a sad state of family affairs would not have been plausible a season earlier. But in the run-up to this exit episode, they very carefully and gradually introduced element after element that eventually put all the chess pieces in the right places to allow this final drama to play out:
  • teenage daughter returns to Chicago not wanting to live with her mom anymore (a minor moment in one episode)
  • teenage daughter is revealed to have some issues at school and apparently a boyfriend she hadn't told Dad about (another episode, another small moment)
  • Mark finds (boyfriend's?) marijuana in daughter's backpack. An argument. (a bigger moment, but not yet high drama)
  • teenage daughter babysits Mark and wife's new baby - baby accidentally swallows ecstasy pills teenage daughter has on her (HIGH DRAMA - central plot point of an episode)
  • afterwards: examination of the fallout from that, new wife blames Mark for not being strict enough on teenage daughter etc etc.
  • Wife says "her or me" and moves out (subplot)
  • Reconciliation only once wife learns that his tumor is back; meanwhile, despite their drama, Mark does not give up on his older daughter
All of these are steps taken in different episodes leading up to the grand finale. So looked at from the end, the situation would have been implausible if not for these earlier developments and carefully placed moments - and this is one of the less subtle storylines they did.

So, I was referring to all the characters really: Tarima, Sam, the Doctor. None of their particular problems was really and truly prepared or SHOWN to us before. The show simply TELLS us that they all have some big trauma, but it's hard to relate to it because we haven't seen the problem play out. And that's why the supposed payoff falls flat. Jammer's review of the episode also discusses this. And that's what I mean by 'gaslighting'. It's as if the show is telling us that we saw something that we didn't actually see.

But as I hope to have shown, this isn't a problem only SA has. All the modern Treks do to some degree. Part of that is the shorter seasons, I suppose, where the careful and gradual construction described above may be more difficult. But I wonder why so many other modern shows manage to achieve genuine emotional effects like this not having all that many more episodes to work with (The Pitt, Pluribus are just two that come to mind...)
 
I certainly took her line to mean the students. They'd just gone through something intense together in a short space of time. It's like saying, "I spent a week there one night."
Yes, that’s probably how that line was meant. It is somewhat confusing, though, and seeing how many viewers seemed to take away from this that Ake also just spent 17 years on Kasq — even though it doesn’t seem to fit with how they present the Doctor’s decision to spend 17 years of his life to be a parent to SAM as something special — probably means they should have been clearer with that line. She is a 400 year old woman, but I don’t think that means she has 17 years to waste spending time on a planet only to not be part of SAM’s upbringing.

The question is: do you stay true to what happened last week? Is it congruent with that? And have the appropriate steps been taken to get the story to the climax that you want to achieve eventually. All drama is in some way written to effect, where a story will most of the time be constructed 'from the end', as it were: this is where we want to end up, so how do we get there? And most importantly: will it resonate once we do? To achieve that effect, the emotional involvement of the audience must be built up.
So, I was referring to all the characters really: Tarima, Sam, the Doctor. None of their particular problems was really and truly prepared or SHOWN to us before. The show simply TELLS us that they all have some big trauma, but it's hard to relate to it because we haven't seen the problem play out.
I think you’re being a little unfair to the show. I will agree that none of these storylines have been as effectively prepared as that storyline on ER perhaps was, but that doesn’t mean that there was no gearing up for these storylines at all before their payoff. Let’s not forget that they had 20+ episodes worth of screentime to introduce elements for the Mark Greene arc, whereas the current streaming standard of ten or so episodes gives the writers only so much space to try and juggle multiple moving elements and characters.

Let’s look at these individual characters and how their arcs played out in season one preparing us for this episode:

The fact that the Doctor had some preoccupations about engaging SAM and becoming her mentor were introduced right in the premiere. He also showed a strong reaction when she mentioned the characters from Prodigy. This continues in “Beta Test”, where he tries to ignore SAM fangirling about every word he says, effectively trying to not let her into his heart. Then there’s a rather emotional scene in “Series Acclimation Mil”, where he pretty coldly tells SAM that one just has to get over the loss of loved ones. The Doctor seems odd and we don’t really know what’s up with him. Then all of this comes to a climax in “The Life of the Stars” and we learn what’s plaguing him.

As for SAM: “Series Acclimation Mil” firmly establishes that she’s not really able to process emotions like love, loss, friendship, ambition, purpose etc. She clearly feels, but her Kasqian makers outright tell her that doesn’t matter. It introduces us to the idea that in the eyes of her makers she’s not able to fulfill their mission, because they are only interested in her assessment of the organics as threats, not in the how and why they feel. So it’s clear that already she’s surpassed the initial programming she received. In “Come Let’s Away” she’s shot which seemingly causes her to glitch. Those glitches are addressed again in “Ko’Zeine” and now in “The Life of the Stars” we learn that the glitches actually were about her problem of not being able to process human emotions. Seems like that story was actually set up pretty well.

Tarima’s arc up until “The Life of the Stars” has been one of a teenage telepath who is afraid of the destructive potential of her natural powers. It’s like telling a teenager to not feel too strong emotions; basically an impossible task. When we meet her we learn that she feels like she’s basically a Betazoid royal who’s lived in isolation, sheltered from the galaxy outside. We learn in “Come, Let’s Away” that she caused her father to go deaf, and that this likely forever changed how people back home treated and looked at her. In “Beta Test” she wants to visit Humpback whales, because she wants to meet a lifeform to which she doesn’t matter. In “Vitus Reflex” we learn that she’s all about getting freedom to be someone new. She chose the War College because she hoped it would teach her the discipline she needs to control her emotions/powers. She seems to avoid getting involved romantically with Caleb at first, but in “Series Acclimation Mil” she gives up a bit of that control to be with him. This letting her guard down continues in “Come, Let’s Away”, where it results in Caleb being angry at her for probing his mind. To save Caleb and the others she then decides to basically sacrifice her new-found freedom and let her destructive powers reign. It works, but it comes at a price. And in “The Life of the Stars” we learn that the price was that once more she now feels like her peers look at her as a danger.

In going through some scenes from all episodes this season to write this up I realized how well it all actually works together. I will agree that some of those individual seeds could have been sown more effectively perhaps, but to me at least it’s obvious that they planned those arcs very well ahead and attempted to avoid having anything feel like it’s coming out of the left field.
 
Oh, I've seen plenty of episodic TV - but Discovery was not even episodic, nor is SA. I'll buy your argument about TOS, but that is not the same format as the more recent Trek shows. TOS had to, and did, create and resolve whatever character conflict was needed within its 50 minutes. The newer shows don't "forget" about what happened last week. I think we're agreed on that fact.
Like SNW, the show is semi-episodic, with most episodes being stand alone but having character driven subplots being threaded through the season.
So, I was referring to all the characters really: Tarima, Sam, the Doctor. None of their particular problems was really and truly prepared or SHOWN to us before. The show simply TELLS us that they all have some big trauma, but it's hard to relate to it because we haven't seen the problem play out. And that's why the supposed payoff falls flat. Jammer's review of the episode also discusses this. And that's what I mean by 'gaslighting'. It's as if the show is telling us that we saw something that we didn't actually see
I’d planned a lengthy response to the but @Michael pretty covered it. :lol:
To put it succinctly, this episode was the payoff to several of the aforementioned character threads.
 
Is this what Star Trek has come to? A big guest star comes in and teaches our crew to process their emotions through the lens of the 20th century media at the expense of having an actual science fiction plot?

EDIT: Oops, my bad. I'm rewatching DS9 and just got to "His Way" and meant to post this on a DS9 thread. What are y'all talking about here?
 
The Doctor was that torn up about his holographic non-sentient family from 900 years ago, that he never once in two other series brought up before, he treated SAM like shit because of it is a stretch. The Doctor would hold anyone's hand that asked him to that was clearly in distress, he's not an asshole in that way. The scenes were well acted by Picardo though. Now The Doctor has a daughter thanks to the super convenient time dilation planet that SAM just happened to be from...

:shrug:

The Doctor we saw in Voyager would hold someone’s hand. But the Doctor 900 years later after living through so much loss…I can buy his hesitation. It both is and isn’t the same character.
 
Is this what Star Trek has come to? A big guest star comes in and teaches our crew to process their emotions through the lens of the 20th century media at the expense of having an actual science fiction plot?

EDIT: Oops, my bad. I'm rewatching DS9 and just got to "His Way" and meant to post this on a DS9 thread. What are y'all talking about here?
Also 'It's only a paper moon' and the whole Benny Russell thing.
 
I certainly took her line to mean the students. They'd just gone through something intense together in a short space of time. It's like saying, "I spent a week there one night."
Certainly an apt description of going through hardship.
 
Which would require temporal technology... Which is banned...
Makes you wonder how they enforced that ban. You would think after the burn there would have been plenty of violators of that rule.
 
Makes you wonder how they enforced that ban. You would think after the burn there would have been plenty of violators of that rule.
As far as we know from Discovery? They enforce it through the honor system.

And yes, even not knowing about about the source of The Burn there are a huge number of things time travelers could have done to minimize the death and destruction. Like, even just telling people to power down their warp cores a few minutes before that probably would have saved hundreds of billions of lives.
 
As far as we know from Discovery? They enforce it through the honor system.

And yes, even not knowing about about the source of The Burn there are a huge number of things time travelers could have done to minimize the death and destruction. Like, even just telling people to power down their warp cores a few minutes before that probably would have saved hundreds of billions of lives.
I liked the theory that crossing the burn makes time travelers' dilithium explode. :rommie:
 
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