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Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

People do not watch new Trek to be entertained but to find flaws and nitpick and insult writers and fans.
I do get tired of seeing this argument against any criticism of a series.

Are there people who just look for issues with a show? Sure, they're around. Is that most people who give negative views or criticisms of a show? Definitely not.

Frankly, I think if so many people wouldn't jump to that as a reason why someone doesn't like something, you'd get more honest scores and opinions of episodes or shows.

"This episode was very slow paced, the character work just didn't work well for me, and the plot didn't seem to make a great deal of sense. I give it an 8!"

Really?! It's almost like some people start at 5 instead if 0 just so they don't appear too negative. It makes it difficult to take some of those reviews seriously, just as others who only give 1s and 2s in their reviews would be hard to take seriously. (The above example is not a precise one from anybody, but it was the quickest way to make the point.) Now if one feels despite all the criticism an episode would still be an 8, fine. You feel how you feel. But at least consider the possibility that doing such things would give some others room to pause and wonder, "Seriously?" Especially if you put similar criticism on another episode or show and put that score as a 5.
 
I do get tired of seeing this argument against any criticism of a series.

Are there people who just look for issues with a show? Sure, they're around. Is that most people who give negative views or criticisms of a show? Definitely not.

Frankly, I think if so many people wouldn't jump to that as a reason why someone doesn't like something, you'd get more honest scores and opinions of episodes or shows.

"This episode was very slow paced, the character work just didn't work well for me, and the plot didn't seem to make a great deal of sense. I give it an 8!"

Really?! It's almost like some people start at 5 instead if 0 just so they don't appear too negative. It makes it difficult to take some of those reviews seriously, just as others who only give 1s and 2s in their reviews would be hard to take seriously. (The above example is not a precise one from anybody, but it was the quickest way to make the point.) Now if one feels despite all the criticism an episode would still be an 8, fine. You feel how you feel. But at least consider the possibility that doing such things would give some others room to pause and wonder, "Seriously?" Especially if you put similar criticism on another episode or show and put that score as a 5.
I'd love to see honest scores.

But I don't trust numerical scores at all anymore.
 
I start at 10 and deduct for things I don't like rather than start at 0 and add points for things I do. I had problems with the flashbacks in 1x04, but didn't feel it deserved to have points reduced for it as it didn't impact the overall story, whereas in 1x07, I found it was two beta-plots sandwiched into one episode, which didn't quite work, but independently were unobjectionable, and there were some cute character moments, therefore I gave it a 7, the first episode I've done so.
 
I do get tired of seeing this argument against any criticism of a series.

Are there people who just look for issues with a show? Sure, they're around. Is that most people who give negative views or criticisms of a show? Definitely not.

Frankly, I think if so many people wouldn't jump to that as a reason why someone doesn't like something, you'd get more honest scores and opinions of episodes or shows.

"This episode was very slow paced, the character work just didn't work well for me, and the plot didn't seem to make a great deal of sense. I give it an 8!"

Really?! It's almost like some people start at 5 instead if 0 just so they don't appear too negative. It makes it difficult to take some of those reviews seriously, just as others who only give 1s and 2s in their reviews would be hard to take seriously. (The above example is not a precise one from anybody, but it was the quickest way to make the point.) Now if one feels despite all the criticism an episode would still be an 8, fine. You feel how you feel. But at least consider the possibility that doing such things would give some others room to pause and wonder, "Seriously?" Especially if you put similar criticism on another episode or show and put that score as a 5.
Yeah... It's hard to take reviews like that seriously...
 
I start at 10 and deduct for things I don't like rather than start at 0 and add points for things I do. I had problems with the flashbacks in 1x04, but didn't feel it deserved to have points reduced for it as it didn't impact the overall story, whereas in 1x07, I found it was two beta-plots sandwiched into one episode, which didn't quite work, but independently were unobjectionable, and there were some cute character moments, therefore I gave it a 7, the first episode I've done so.
Starting from 10 and going backward is another valid method, too. That works just as well as the opposite. I've done that myself. It's the inconsistency that happens when similar views are expressed in other shows/episodes that lead to thinking something is off.
 
In case anyone's curious, the average score on TrekBBS episode polls for the Kurtzman era is 8/10.

The top episode got 10 (Prodigy's Ouroboros, Part II) and the least popular got 6 (SNW's Four-and-a-Half Vulcans). Though Section 31 sets the absolute minimum with an average score of 4/10.

Starfleet Academy is averaging 7 overall.

(Note: my numbers could be wrong, feel free to correct them!)
 
The problem with 1-10 scores is even when done seriously, half of people rate average things a 5 (the midpoint) and half a 7 (a "C").
 
technically speaking, Starfleet Academy is not in San Francisco

Though it's entirely possible the city borders changed in the last 1000 years.
 
Genuine question: why? Is the Golden Gate bridge area not part of San Francisco today?
Most of the Golden Gate Bridge is, but not north of this point, as indicated by the green sign, left center of picture, on the bridge support.
Screenshot 2026-02-22 at 11-18-05 Google Maps.jpg
Street view on the bridge, to the right of the cyclist is the bay where Starfleet Academy is located in the 32nd century, and in the blue box in the map below:

Screenshot 2026-02-22 at 11-07-15 San Francisco Geographic Boundaries.jpg
The only parts that are San Francisco, on the map above, are shaded in various pink and light purple colors and have the area postal code numbers. Alameda County is east, Marin County is north and San Mateo County is south.

Starfleet Academy is located on what is now Fort Baker National Park.
 
Most of the Golden Gate Bridge is, but not north of this point, as indicated by the green sign, left center of picture, on the bridge support.
View attachment 52286
Street view on the bridge, to the right of the cyclist is the bay where Starfleet Academy is located in the 32nd century, and in the blue box in the map below:

View attachment 52287
The only parts that are San Francisco, on the map above, are shaded in various pink and light purple colors and have the area postal code numbers. Alameda County is east, Marin County is north and San Mateo County is south.
Whales to the North. Nuclear Wessles to the East.
 
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