Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Discovery McDiscoveryFace]

Say what you will about Disco's writing in general, but the character of Jett Reno has always been written and performed extremely well.

I think they are also allowed to do a bit of freeforming and adaptation during filming, in a way that was never allowed in the Berman era. Actors couldn't even change or contract a word without it going up the chain for a rewrite. I think that helps with allowing more of Tig's style to bleed through.

 

[fireproof78]

Okay, the Reno clip was awesome.

It felt very age appropriate dialog and style.

 

[Tuskin38]

Maybe they are somehow delicious?

they should of coated them with the stuff that nintendo puts on their Switch 1 and 2 carts to make them taste bad

 

[Set Harth]

They probably let standards slip due to the burn and just take anyone who applies and can pass the basic test now.

"What are your standards for admission?"

"Do you have a pulse?"

 

[Nerys Myk]

"What are your standards for admission?"

"Do you have a pulse?"

Holo-cadet: well no.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I thought that was odd, too. I know it’s supposed to be a light comedic moment, but the way the doctor even says “Already?” makes it sound like it’s a common occurrence. Maybe they are somehow delicious?

And I suppose they weren’t able to be too picky for this first class of the Academy in 100 years or so.

Earth had a Starfleet even when the Vulcans had them locked down to one system for a century, so they probably still had a Starfleet after the Burn, after all their ships blew up and Warp culture became unfeasible.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep. Starfleet was already nearly 30 years old before it became, well, Starfleet.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Earth had a Starfleet even when the Vulcans had them locked down to one system for a century, so they probably still had a Starfleet after the Burn, after all their ships blew up and Warp culture became unfeasible.

They seemed to rename it the United Earth Defence Force. Or just Earth Defence Force. Or just EDF.

I can only therefore assume General Ndoye was a wing diver.

 

[NCC-73515]

I thought that was odd, too. I know it’s supposed to be a light comedic moment, but the way the doctor even says “Already?” makes it sound like it’s a common occurrence. Maybe they are somehow delicious?

And I suppose they weren’t able to be too picky for this first class of the Academy in 100 years or so.

Could be a game: One piece of cake has an SFA badge hidden in it.
Or a challenge: How many badges can you fit in your mouth (or something similarly stupid)

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Elaise]

Research facilities & universities wouldn't have warp cores for weapons or travel. They would have full or partial real warp cores for scientific & technological research. And they would have dilithium on site, to power their experimental reactors, for research & improvement, or whatever. And it was ultimately the dilithium that exploded.

Like if today suddenly all gasoline would explode - you would not only lose everyone driving a car right now. You would also lose all workshops, all car manufacturing sites, the whole oil drilling industry, every garage tinkerer and every vehicle construction engineer and professor at the same time. Building the next, first functional car after that would take decades.

Fair point, though I imagine most of the information they have is stored far enough away. Still I would imagine a lot of matter-antimatter explosions would leave the earth and other planets torn to pieces.

It would not takes decades, we would have a car created within a year. I bet plenty of car manufacturing plants would also be just fine. I imagine it would take a 5 years to get a new fuel source out there. All the data to to make them would be just fine on servers somewhere. I'm not sure why you think all these places keep massive amounts of fuel near them.

Starbases used fusion reactors not Matter/Anti-Matter.

Also, Earth's planetary shield in Discovery wasn't even a fraction as strong as the planetary shield in Picard, so there's that.

I'm guessing that's possible, but the shields and weapons on ships ran off the warp core. I do not remember what it was in disco, I do not think they were hit by any fleets to see how tough it really is.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not sure why you think all these places keep massive amounts of fuel near them.

It's not just massive amounts, but the sheer amount of resources lost, to combat fires, to address structural damage and build new components.

Bearing in mind that in this example with oil or gasoline, you're not just losing a fuel source but a constituent part of plastics and lubricants, as well as multiple lives most of skilled labor.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They seemed to rename it the United Earth Defence Force. Or just Earth Defence Force. Or just EDF.

I can only therefore assume General Ndoye was a wing diver.

Earth left the Federation and Starfleet after the Burn.

It would be confusing if there were two Starfleets.

 

[FredH]

Earth had a Starfleet even when the Vulcans had them locked down to one system for a century,

They weren’t locked down to one system, as evidenced by multiple colonies, and Boomer ships which were already multi-generational traveling between them. They were locked down to the systems they could reach with lower warp ratings — so a lot less than later, but still numerous systems.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They weren’t locked down to one system, as evidenced by multiple colonies, and Boomer ships which were already multi-generational traveling between them. They were locked down to the systems they could reach with lower warp ratings — so a lot less than later, but still numerous systems.

Talk to the show.

The "Government" was locked to one system. The scripts were crystal clear that Starfleet was not allowed to leave earth's Solar system. The Boomer fleet comprised of "civilians" started trading with nearby alien civilizations, who told the Vulcans to "suck it".

Obviously two obstinate producers were having a fight about their vision for the show, while ignoring each other.

 

[Elaise]

It's not just massive amounts, but the sheer amount of resources lost, to combat fires, to address structural damage and build new components.

Bearing in mind that in this example with oil or gasoline, you're not just losing a fuel source but a constituent part of plastics and lubricants, as well as multiple lives most of skilled labor.

The plastics is a very good point. Couldn't we just make our own oils and fuel source, though to meet current volume it would take a long time. We still could just reproduce the products prior to plastics.

Also, that is where the example breaks down between the 2. They do not use dilithium to make plastics and so on it's just a mechanism

 

[FredH]

The "Government" was locked to one system. The scripts were crystal clear that Starfleet was not allowed to leave earth's Solar system.

When was this stated?

 

[fireproof78]

The plastics is a very good point. Couldn't we just make our own oils and fuel source, though to meet current volume it would take a long time. We still could just reproduce the products prior to plastics.

Neither easily nor quickly. Which is the other aspect that is ignored; the loss of people who can actually build, and develop and run this equipment and train others. All of that takes time and skill that might be lost due to where these explosions happen. Key personnel creates gaoay

 

[Guy Gardener]

When was this stated?

The pilot and every other time that Archer complained that the Vulcans were holding them back.

FORREST: We may need to defer to their judgement.
ARCHER: We've been deferring to their judgement for a hundred years!
FORREST: Jon.
ARCHER: How much longer?
T'POL: Until you've proven you're ready,
ARCHER: Ready to what?
T'POL: To look beyond your provincial attitudes and volatile nature.

There's probably a better quote.

For nearly a century, we've waded ankle-deep in the ocean of space. Now it's finally time to swim.(applause)

 

[cooleddie74]

Earth definitely colonized outside our own solar system before the NX-01 was launched. But without a Warp 5 engine we couldn't get very far.