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Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread
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Lets not go crazy, now.
Unfortunately it has not been. I did a bit of digging on the oriville and all of nutrek. About all of nuttrek except for season 5 has a more positive ratings in their orginal trailers. Serson 5 is the only excemption where it got a more negative responce.
SFA breaks that mold with a large amount of negative responses compared to positive. I also took at look at season 4 for SNW and its pretty positive. So something about SFA is not going over well.
As for the Orville, it popular among the ratings but lower engagement. I would be surprised if we got a season 4.
The reason that I use it is because I can semi use it to see how well its going to do. Other media that we do have numbers for that have trailers leading upto relase were received very poorly and eventually bombed.
Seriously? When did popularity become the metric? *Picard facepalm*
I still find it puzzling why SFA is getting hit so hard. It looks and feels like Disco, and disco was received pretty well.
I was going to mention to @Turtletrekker that I agree with you on the RT raitings, they can be very off and weird, I much prefer IMDB after 6 or so months after release. RT will show that one show bombed while IMDB will show its actually middle of the road most of the time. Disco tends to stay inthe 7s range among users while RT always has it in the 30 percent range.
Though with either one of those I typically look at engagement rathwe than the actual score. The critics had a massive drop off after season 2 I think where they went from 200+ down to below 20 reivews. Users score also drop off a bit, but that goes for every show.
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I'm sorry. I did miss your comments asking for discussion of the topic to cease. It won't happen again
In the TNG episode "Hero Worship" they said the one kid could not use the computers because he would need a code or something. Something they would not give to a kid. My guess are phasers are designed with the same kind of safeguards.
I'm just a weird guy but I don't care how it does.
I was talking about something "in universe" but do go on...
DSC had a lot of goodwill going in but fell off pretty hard during the first season.
If anything reminds anyone of DSC it's gonna be a hard sell.
Nu-Trek had a huge push but nothing stuck unfortunately, even SNW fell off.
They better have Disco style training shirts or I'll riot!
I bet lots of money they made those Disco shirts just so people would stop saying STD. Of course we know even t-shirts can't stop the internet when it's onto something. But at least it gave them a new label to counter it.
I must admit while I found the clip not brilliant (I rarely like clips released like that, as that's not really the way it's intended to be seen), I liked the trailer and have been intrigued by the concept for the series.
However, I do feel worn down. I am finding the online debate around this show, especially on reddit but everywhere really, to be very very negative. I have been surprised by this - this kind of hateful fatalism and vindictiveness, a burning contempt that doesn't feel like it's going away.
Of course you find it in many online fanbases, it feels, at the moment. But I don't know how one is meant to navigate it, keep optimistic, remain enthused. And to express positivity, patience, nuance - you get shouted down, ostracized, etc, in some spaces.
I would be surprised how today's negative trek fanbase would have responded to the early previews of TNG's or DS9's mostly difficult first seasons, for example. Of course a different context, a much more limited online culture then (although the preservation of early online chats by Google reveals many similar styles of conversation!)
However, I do feel worn down. I am finding the online debate around this show, especially on reddit but everywhere really, to be very very negative. I have been surprised by this - this kind of hateful fatalism and vindictiveness, a burning contempt that doesn't feel like it's going away.
Of course you find it in many online fanbases, it feels, at the moment. But I don't know how one is meant to navigate it, keep optimistic, remain enthused. And to express positivity, patience, nuance - you get shouted down, ostracized, etc, in some spaces.
I would be surprised how today's negative trek fanbase would have responded to the early previews of TNG's or DS9's mostly difficult first seasons, for example. Of course a different context, a much more limited online culture then (although the preservation of early online chats by Google reveals many similar styles of conversation!)
Phasers do have safeties, just almost never talked about. For example. Stolzoff in DS9's "EMPOK NOR" told Pechetti, "Don't worry, the safety's on." It was when he got worried about her phaser rifle being pointed his direction. (Though even with the safety on, it shouldn't be pointed at someone when not in use.)
Given the quality (or rather, lack of it) of the writing in DISCO, the natural reaction of anything that reminds someone of that show will be skepticism and will be a hard sell.
Yeah, it’s interesting. I don’t recall fan reaction and online debate being this negative and fatalistic for any of the other recent shows’ pre-premiere phases. (With the exception of maybe Section 31, which a big chuck of vocal online fans also seemed to hate right out of the gate.) To a degree I find it understandable how people are kind of pre-judging the show, considering there’s a lot of continuity between this show and previous shows like Discovery, in terms of the setting, who’s writing, producing and even acting in it. So if you’re someone who didn’t like Discovery and how it was made, I guess it’s not totally unreasonable to assume Starfleet Academy will be of a similar quality.
But still, as you’re saying, discourse seems to be incredibly vindictive regarding SFA. And my pet theory for why that is so is that a lot of older fans are just realizing — consciously or not — how this show is just not aimed at them. The visceral reaction to the show’s marketing campaign so far seems to largely focus on how this will be overly emotional teen drama, which is probably just not something fans of a certain age are craving for. These fans often seem to feel entitled that a new Trek show should be made with them very much in mind.
What’s certainly also a factor is how much “Pre-Release Backlash Culture“ is a part of all this. It’s just become incredibly en vogue to hate one something before it’s even released. This just speaks to a more general division in our culture, where there’s always a large group of people who feel new shows are focusing too much on diversity, “woke” themes, or changes to beloved franchises. I don’t think this is just an age thing (with old fans being pitted against younger fans), but I would be surprised to learn it’s not a factor.
Personally, I just decided that I’m going to go into Starfleet Academy with an open mind. I neither like everything about the pre-release marketing campaign and everything we know about the show so far, nor do I hate everything about it. I’m hoping that I’ll like it, of course. But if I don’t, I will most certainly just quietly continue to watch the show and not post about it much. That’s how it was with large parts of Discovery and Picard. I can talk shit about Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks like the best of them and have lots of aspects that I find worthy of critique, but at the end of the day I love those shows and that’s why I like to engage about their merits online. If a show is just not engaging me, I mostly don’t have any interest in talking about them.
Considering they had already filmed almost the entire first season before the show started airing, I'll take that bet.
is starfleet academy gonna be based in the future by at least hundreds of years later from voyager deep space nine and the next generation and at the same time at least a thousand years later from strange new worlds and the original series
Oh come on, we’ve gone over this so many times with you now. Is this some act or is this genuinely so difficult to grasp for you? I even posted this handy timeline graphic a while ago (which I know you have seen). How much clearer do you expect this to be spelled out for you?
Here’s another attempt:
Enterprise: 2151–2155
Discovery (seasons 1 and 2): 2256–2258
Strange New Worlds: 2259–?
Star Trek / The Original Series: 2265–2269
The Animated Series: 2269–2270
The Next Generation: 2364–2370
Deep Space Nine: 2369–2375
Voyager: 2369–2378
Lower Decks: 2380–2382
Prodigy: 2383–2385
Picard: 2399–2402
Discovery (season 3 to 5): 3189–3191
Starfleet Academy: 319?–?
I think their is lots of reasons connected to each other as to why people are negative about Academy.
1 Picked over Legacy show that billions of fans actually wanted.
2 Made by the same people who made Discovery and even has some of that shows actors in it. Despite the fact that show wasn't liked.
3 People don't want to see teenagers in space, especially when they feel like modern teenagers.
4 Sexism and racism, homophobia for some,
5 The setting. It's in that future setting we only know from Discovery. Which so far has not been all that interesting of a setting.
6 Has a big bad. Yet again. Despite the fact that people do like Paul Giamatti.
7 Nobody knows who the main lead even is.
8 The clips we have seen have only confirmed some of these things to people.
9 Making the Academy a spaceship instantly robs the show of one of it's more interesting selling points and that is by being earth based we could have seen Earth as a big part of Trek for the first time, as opposed to something our heroes visit once in awhile or has to defend from the next big alien invasion threat. Ironically the second time we were robbed of this idea when UPN changed some of the plans Berman and Braga had for season 1 of Enterprise.
1 Picked over Legacy show that billions of fans actually wanted.
2 Made by the same people who made Discovery and even has some of that shows actors in it. Despite the fact that show wasn't liked.
3 People don't want to see teenagers in space, especially when they feel like modern teenagers.
4 Sexism and racism, homophobia for some,
5 The setting. It's in that future setting we only know from Discovery. Which so far has not been all that interesting of a setting.
6 Has a big bad. Yet again. Despite the fact that people do like Paul Giamatti.
7 Nobody knows who the main lead even is.
8 The clips we have seen have only confirmed some of these things to people.
9 Making the Academy a spaceship instantly robs the show of one of it's more interesting selling points and that is by being earth based we could have seen Earth as a big part of Trek for the first time, as opposed to something our heroes visit once in awhile or has to defend from the next big alien invasion threat. Ironically the second time we were robbed of this idea when UPN changed some of the plans Berman and Braga had for season 1 of Enterprise.
I have it on good authority that the actual number is “a gajillion fans”.
I have it on good authority that the actual number is “a gajillion fans”.
Well I admit I was was going with a low estimate.
An irony that so many of these gravitated towards Prodigy which was even more explicitly not aimed at them.
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