The viewscreen in TFF may be the biggest of all the Kirk Era ones.
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Lol. Somehow pikes screen went from a small to a huge more advanced one and in tos back to a smaller less advanced one. Also the tmp screen is after the refit. Im talking about kurtzman screens vs tos. Not tos to tmp. So not sure why you even brought tmp up. But even after the refit it was still a regular viewscreen and rather rectangular just updated in looks after the refit. Ha ha ha.
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Why is updating tech so hard?Lol. Somehow pikes screen went from a small to a huge one and in tos back to a small one. Also the tmp screen is after the refit. Im talking about kurtzman screens vs tos. Not tos to tmp. So not sure why you even brought tmp up. But even after the refitvit was still a viewscreen and rather rectangular just uodated after the refit. Ha ha ha.
We can believe in the following in Star Trek
- Faster than Light Travel
- Time Travel
- Transporter without killing people
- Interspecies breeding despite not being from the same world.
- Extremely thin materials holding up impossibly big engines.
Impossible!
2005.
2009.
2017.No one has bothered to answer this question. I'm guessing because y'all are paid by Paramount to boost their numbers or something
I don't mind that they did an update. The problem is they made it too big when it wasn't necessary and they put a row of windows where there are none etc. It's a nice design but it makes absolutely no sense that it will turn into the TMP Enterprise which will now also have to be retconned eventually.
As for the original design. It totally would have worked. It worked great in the Enterprise two part mirror episode and will work great today I don't get why people always say this. The design is perfectly fine for this time period. Sleek and modern. The only thing that would need to be updated is the lightning since everything is so bright and lens flare-y in today's productions...
And this was 7 years ago by a fan. Think how good it would look with more money thrown at it.
No one said updating tech is bad. Just make it make a bit of sense in the greater narrative. (Yes it's never been perfect in Trek so don't bring up stupid examples during TOS or the other shows)
But it wasn't this blatantly ignored. They did some things well like the bridge aesthetics minus the big ass window screen and scale of the bridge. But the rest of it is ok. I don't think anyone expected a complete recreation of the Menageries sets. Though the sets worked well in a mirror darkly two part. They updated some stuff and with more time probably could have made them shine even better.
But whatever what is done is done. Trek is just one big oddity now. At least the Star Wars and Alien productions get it right ....
Two minor things I noticed about the latest poster:
Is it me or does Caleb Mir’s right arm look kinda ’shopped? Maybe Sandro Rosta’s upper arm really is this swole, but to me it kinda looks like they maybe stitched together two images, with his arm going in a different direction behind Zoë Steiner’s head than the one it’s coming out on the other side.
And the other thing is something I hadn’t seen anyone comment on, but apparently for the college jackets they incorporated the classic Starfleet pennant we saw throughout TOS and that was apparently meant to represent an early logo for the organization. Kinda neat.
Is it me or does Caleb Mir’s right arm look kinda ’shopped? Maybe Sandro Rosta’s upper arm really is this swole, but to me it kinda looks like they maybe stitched together two images, with his arm going in a different direction behind Zoë Steiner’s head than the one it’s coming out on the other side.
And the other thing is something I hadn’t seen anyone comment on, but apparently for the college jackets they incorporated the classic Starfleet pennant we saw throughout TOS and that was apparently meant to represent an early logo for the organization. Kinda neat.
Not if they make sense.
So you judge the performance of a preview scene against a mass marketed major studio's new trailer? They are not the same, the push behind the trailer gets it out there more and people are more likely to watch aa trailer than a preview scene no matter what it's for.
And a song again is completely different.
If you can provide equal comparisons that prove your point I will listen but so far you have plucked apples and oranges and are trying to tell me which of the two is the better banana.
By your logic I could point to this very thread and direct you to the amount of likes receieved by certain viewpoints and call that representitive.
And if you'll recall I never said your point was explicitly wrong, I said it could never be proven not beyond polling every single person in the world who identifies as a fan of at least one Star Trek show. But you clearly have an agenda to push.
Fo the viewscreen argument, I think it’s worth pointing out that there is a blast shield or piece of armour that can raise up and cover the window when necessary. It was shown on screen in a few episodes, giving the bridge the best of both worlds: a window when you want one, and full protection when you don’t.
Compared to what it looks like with the shield down.
Compared to what it looks like with the shield down.
Did somebody say blast shield?
Blast shields for windows make sense for a ship in all eras.
Homes down here have shutters for hurricanes, so blast doors are the starship equivalent.
Homes down here have shutters for hurricanes, so blast doors are the starship equivalent.
The Enterprise-E didn't have a window or an electronic viewscreen. It had a holographic projection of whatever was happening outside the ship and projected in front of the bridge crew on a flat wall. That changed by NEM and it became a more conventional viewscreen, but in FC it was a flat wall upon which holoprojectors displayed whatever was outside the ship.
I’ve always liked the viewscreen/window combo, because it finally offers a believable reason for the bridge to be positioned up top instead of being protected deep inside the hull.
While I don't agree with what they are saying, those years are important because those were key times in the franchise.
2005 - numbers hit a low enough point that it stopped the franchise after an 18 year production streak.
2009 - numbers for that movie were good enough to reignite interest in the franchise.
2017 - interest was enough to start the current Kurtzman streaming era.
It IS a business, and numbers are important for every business. As fans, we should be at least aware of some of the numbers because that will have an impact on whether we get new seasons/movies or have another streak of empty years with nothing in production.
I'm aware of what the years mean.
Yes, businesses should be aware of their numbers. But, at the risk of sounding extremely pedantic, that's Paramount's business. It isn't mine. I'm not impacted financially by these numbers.
Maybe controversial opinion but if Star Trek stops being produced I'm unaffected. For those who insist this era is bad Star Trek I think they would want less numbers. I would think they'd be celebrating and not engaging with something they view as detrimental to the franchise. Instead, these facts are pointed out driving people to go watch.
Star Wars isn't Star Trek and Alien is a franchise that deserves to burn in the deepest pits of hell so neither are comparable to Star Trek.No one said updating tech is bad. Just make it make a bit of sense in the greater narrative. (Yes it's never been perfect in Trek so don't bring up stupid examples during TOS or the other shows)
But it wasn't this blatantly ignored. They did some things well like the bridge aesthetics minus the big ass window screen and scale of the bridge. But the rest of it is ok. I don't think anyone expected a complete recreation of the Menageries sets. Though the sets worked well in a mirror darkly two part. They updated some stuff and with more time probably could have made them shine even better.
But whatever what is done is done. Trek is just one big oddity now. At least the Star Wars and Alien productions get it right ....
You and I can just agree to disagree. You see the changes as far larger than I. I don't see them much different than other updates. But, I also don't hold SNW leading perfectly to TOS so why is it an issue?
I never said we were affected by the numbers financially. I said we fans, meaning those who might want an era to keep going, should be aware of some of those numbers because it DOES directly relate to whether or not we get more.
And being aware of those numbers, some fans can help push numbers higher by getting more people to watch.
I guess I see it differently. I don't really care if an era continues. Would I like it? Yes. But if it stops I'm ok with it too. I don't think my one number really impacts their business that much. So, I'm ok either way.
Hilarious. You'll never convince some that the tos enterprise is great looking.I don't mind that they did an update. The problem is they made it too big when it wasn't necessary and they put a row of windows where there are none etc. It's a nice design but it makes absolutely no sense that it will turn into the TMP Enterprise which will now also have to be retconned eventually.
As for the original design. It totally would have worked. It worked great in the Enterprise two part mirror episode and will work great today I don't get why people always say this. The design is perfectly fine for this time period. Sleek and modern. The only thing that would need to be updated is the lightning since everything is so bright and lens flare-y in today's productions...
And this was 7 years ago by a fan. Think how good it would look with more money thrown at it.
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