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Clearly it was intended to be a window during Where No Man Has Gone Before. Which lines up pretty well with SNW.

It was not a window. You cant seven see through that one.


Not only pathetic, but nonexistent.

Not pathetic or nonexistent at all.


Because the Enterprise never had a widescreen Main Viewer before 2009 --

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Oh.

Looks like a rectangular viewscreen to me. It wasnt always giant window. Also its larger because its after the refit of the Enterprise. Funny that its less advanced than the snw enterprise during pikes time. Again those dumb choices that kurtzman makes.
 
Frankly, I don't see a point to all this handwringing and head-canoning to ensure Discovery isn't part of the precious timeline. It's allowing a show some seem to hate to live completely rent-free in their heads.

The show is in the Prime Timeline whether one likes it or not. All this other squabbling is just a pointless waste of time.
Maybe you didn't read my post that you quoted, so let me say it again so you can comprehend better...

I already said DISCO seasons 1 and 2 are in the Prime universe, and that seasons 3 - 5 potentially could be taken out due to being thrust further ahead in time than anything established previously. So therefore, the show is in the Prime timeline.

Is that clearer to you now?
 
It was not a window. You cant seven see through that one.




Not pathetic or nonexistent at all.




Looks like a rectangular viewscreen to me. It wasnt always giant window. Also its larger because its after the refit of the Enterprise. Funny that its less advanced than the snw enterprise during pikes time. Again those dumb choices that kurtzman makes.
Moving goalposts, thy name is you.
 
So your entire metric for determining the size of and feelings of the entire fanbase is viewership of a youtube upload of a preview scene? That is an extremely flimsy foundation for an argument.
What's funny is that I can provide other metrics too but you'll ignore them as well.
You fail to factor in; not everyone wants to watch youtube videos these days since they are often infested with unskippable ads, not everyone wants to watch a preview and tries to avoid spoilers, older fans who don't use youtube, and people who don't live online and might not even be aware of its existence.
A remastered 30 year old Turkish song got 15M views under 24 hours.
A horrible trailer for Predator: Badlands got 3.5M views under 24 hours.
SNW, the most popular of the new Trek shows can barely manage 600K views in over a month.
You offer no solid case.
Then prove me wrong with your own metrics.
With content designed to generate views and no substance to back it up. Clickbaits, ragebaits and memes are not an equivalence for comparison.
Oh yeah that's why Paramount got gobbled up by Skydance and WB got snatched by Netflix.
Cuz of no substantial clickbaits, ragebaits and memes.
A lot of people don't live in reality it seems.
 
I have essentially no opinion in this debate, but I do have a large-scale official NCC-1701 model on the table behind me (the one with light-up nacelles from the Star Trek Universe range), and this thread made me look at it and I was shocked to see it actually has no external viewscreen.

Went all the way upstairs and made a racket even though it's 4 AM so I could look at the smaller Corgi model of the NCC-1701 I have upstairs and indeed, no external viewscreen either.

That's got me fascinated, because I'd always assumed it was a window that just doubled as an electronic screen when needed, and let you zoom in and stuff. Was this ever actually mentioned one way or the other during TOS itself?
 
Would I have preferred it if the current era used the TOS Enterprise? Absolutely, she's gorgeous.

Do I mind that it is updated to current aesthetics? No.

Why? The TOS look wouldn't work with the way tv and streaming is these days. Plus, it's actually not a bad reimagined look. It fits pretty well.
 
What's funny is that I can provide other metrics too but you'll ignore them as well.

A remastered 30 year old Turkish song got 15M views under 24 hours.
A horrible trailer for Predator: Badlands got 3.5M views under 24 hours.
SNW, the most popular of the new Trek shows can barely manage 600K views in over a month.

Then prove me wrong with your own metrics.

Oh yeah that's why Paramount got gobbled up by Skydance and WB got snatched by Netflix.
Cuz of no substantial clickbaits, ragebaits and memes.
A lot of people don't live in reality it seems.
Why does Paramount's business performance concern me? Why do I care about views?

Do we get paid by Paramount? Why do views matter to us the fans?

No one has bothered to answer this question. I'm guessing because y'all are paid by Paramount to boost their numbers or something :shifty:
 
Moving goalposts, thy name is you.

How is that moving goal posts? Youre somehow claiming the tmp screen was a window screen like std or snw? Laughable. Lol.
I have essentially no opinion in this debate, but I do have a large-scale official NCC-1701 model on the table behind me (the one with light-up nacelles from the Star Trek Universe range), and this thread made me look at it and I was shocked to see it actually has no external viewscreen.

Went all the way upstairs and made a racket even though it's 4 AM so I could look at the smaller Corgi model of the NCC-1701 I have upstairs and indeed, no external viewscreen either.

That's got me fascinated, because I'd always assumed it was a window that just doubled as an electronic screen when needed, and let you zoom in and stuff. Was this ever actually mentioned one way or the other during TOS itself?

No. It was always just a viewscreen we get a good look at how one works per the tng movies. Basically its a electronic screen thats when turned off shows a blank wall behind it. I would assume tos was a bit more primitive than that. More like just a giant screen that can bring up maps, diagrams etc and could zoom in and out as well as show reverse views. The windowscreen idea is a pure Kelvin universe idea. I wouldnt have minded it in the 25th century and of course or further out. But they loved it so much they brought it back to the prime 23rd. It makes no sense since now we see a more primitive screen in tng.
 
The windowscreen idea is a pure Kelvin universe idea. I wouldnt have minded it in the 25th century and of course or further out. But they loved it so much they brought it back to the prime 23rd. It makes no sense since now we see a more primitive screen in tng.
A window is more primitive than a viewscreen. We have windows now.

I prefer a window because it makes sense, and feels a bit more primitive for TOS. It's much more interesting than the boring TNG era.
 
No. It was always just a viewscreen we get a good look at how one works per the tng movies...
Interesting; I can't say it's a retcon I mind too much since I kind of like the idea of having a window into space that can then turn into a full computer display that takes video calls and such when needed. Obviously not a great idea to have a big glass pane facing space, but the ship's covered in windows across its hull so they're playing with fire anyway :lol:

The other thing I always wondered is whether that dome right at the top of the bridge is meant to be glass or not - in TNG there's a lot of really odd low-angle shots where you can see a starscape through the ceiling.
 
I can't say it's a retcon I mind too much since I kind of like the idea of having a window into space that can then turn into a full computer display that takes video calls and such when needed.
Especially in situations were the captain orders the blind guy with a magic visor to look out window...

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DAMN THAT DR. NICHOLS FOR INVENTING THAT THING THAT A TIME TRAVELER GAVE HIM
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Can't even garner a million views after a month.
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Mid-tier Youtubers collect views bigger than that in a day.
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Bro, do you even Star Trek?
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