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We're star trek fans. Many of us have supported the franchise for decades. We've earned the right to critique and complain about it. We'll watch some of it and probably complain even more. Again we've earned that right i would think. When we see something badly written we are going to say it.Luckily kurtzman will be gone soon and the academy show will probably be the last star trek he produces. Im very happy about that. Hes done enough damage to the prime timeline.
What damage? Did the Prime Timeline go somewhere? Did he destroy your DVDs? Has Shatner been replaced digitally?

This is a nonsensical argument. Fans have no rights to keep being engaged with a product that isn't for them. It's actually contributing to the product continuing by being engaged with it. All attention is good attention.
 
I'm so tired of it from those fans, especially with ENTERPRISE. It wasn't treated well then and stop acting like it's good now.

People are entitled to their opinions. They can change over time. I have no issue with this. But it’s the constant talk of “it destroyed canon” or other such bullshit that is cyclical that I find ridiculous. My suggestion is to be less prone to hyperbole in discussion. Because it’s going to come back and bite oneself in the ass.
 
Ah, fans. In twenty years, yall will be saying how good the Kurtzman era is.

How do I know? See Enterprise. And the Star Wars prequels. Both hated at the time but now reevaluated and many naysayers at the time say, “Eh, these are actually pretty good.”
Yeah. Im sure in just a few short years ill be missing std and saying what a fine show it was. How about those two first seasons of Picard? Just wonderful. I mean season two alone we found out Picards mom committed suicide and he somehow forgot and convinced himself she lived until old age. No one ever noticed. The people closest to him like beverley or his brother. No one noticed that he was delusional about his mom. Not once. Just wonderful poignant writing. Genius. Yup. In a few years everyone will applaud these shows and realize how great they were.



Lol.
 
People are entitled to their opinions. They can change over time. I have no issue with this. But it’s the constant talk of “it destroyed canon” or other such bullshit that is cyclical that I find ridiculous. My suggestion is to be less prone to hyperbole in discussion. Because it’s going to come back and bite oneself in the ass.
Exactly.

People are allowing hate to consume their lives in the hyperbole and it's going to cycle around. There's no reason to take opinions seriously because they're inconsistent.
 
You are defending NuTrek by disparaging Classic Trek? Interesting choice. Have you anything positive to say about NuTrek, how brilliant it is?
Who's disparaging? TNG didn't have romance? What? There wasn't character drama and trauma? What?

Michael Burnham's journey through trauma is one of the most valuable that I use as examples to clients.

Pike is one of the best presentation as a character dealing with a horrible fate and going forward. Mariner is amazing as a character working on doing the most good.

Prodigy is good story of not giving up and getting a found family, in line with Kelvin Trek.
 
Prodigy is good story of not giving up and getting a found family, in line with Kelvin Trek.
Those 40 episodes of Prodigy are some of the best Star Trek ever produced for television, especially the second season. Such a well-thought-out story arc and characterizations. An example where the fanservice isn't there for its own sake to shake shiny keys at the audience, but actually enhances the story and is there for a reason.

Hell, for finally making Chakotay a character worth a damn after 25 years and redeeming the terrible Wesley cameo in Picard's second season, those are major fucking achievements.
 
Making Chakotay interesting over extended episodes of the second season may well be the series' greatest accomplishment. PRO is my second-favorite streaming Trek series for reasons, and a lot of them are because it's both a breath of fresh air with (mostly) new characters and great writing and because it kept me engaged across 40 episodes of stylized animation, something that brand of animation rarely does.
 
I'm so tired of it from those fans, especially with ENTERPRISE. It wasn't treated well then and stop acting like it's good now.
Have to say I liked Enterprise a great deal, and still do. Despite plenty of individual clunkers — none more so than the finale — in a lot of ways it was pretty much the Trek series I’d wanted to see since the 80s, albeit in different ways in different seasons. I liked that a significant chunk of it was actually about exploring; I liked the somewhat-closer-to-astronautics feel (which I also found in TMP); I liked that almost everybody was different a hundred years before TOS (which many seemed to hate, but I felt was practically the point); I liked that the active powers weren’t all the same ones we’d see a century later; I liked that Archer & co, like humans as a whole, were still figuring out how (and whether!) to go about exploring deep space instead of being Kirk out the gate; I liked that the ship was a bunch of big metal chunks bolted together (which didn’t stop people from insisting it was “more advanced looking” than the 1701 — which was, I’m sorry, just silly); I even liked the basic idea of the Temporal Cold War (though not the lack of resolution about Future Guy); and I liked that we got to see the most important elements of how the beginnings of what became the Federation were seeded. (And you know? I never saw what was supposed to be so terrible about the gazelle speech, either. It fit.)
 
I couldn't stand Enterprise and still can't. It's rife with the same tired old Berman era cliche's that were cliche by the time TNG ended. Like Voyager it was bland, safe, "by the numbers" assembly line manufactured Trek and most of all...boring. It was the concept that I was most excited about since TNG but it was a meandering mess of a show run by two creative burn outs who spent too much time in the 24th century and couldn't handle a 22nd century show where things were strange and new. I wish they'd have moved on and let new blood come in and livened up the franchise with new ideas and new approaches, but alas...

Also..."Classic Trek" = Star Trek (1966-1969) not Star Trek and the later Berman era spin-offs.
 
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What damage? Did the Prime Timeline go somewhere? Did he destroy your DVDs? Has Shatner been replaced digitally?
Yes. Ninjas broke into my home, stole all my Pure Trek DVDs, Blu-rays, novels, comics, action figures and bed sheets and left a filter on all my devices so that whenever I watch TOS on streaming, Shatner is automatically replaced by Paul Wesley. And they left a floater in my toilet.

;)
 
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