Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Jason X-Mas]

How was DSC political in any way?
It was just boring as fuck but I never saw anything political in it unless we are talking Empress Georgiou things?

Star Trek is always going to be a little political because it's basically a liberal fantasy. A world were racism and bigotry is gone, People no longer use money. Problems are often solved through diplomacy. But it was also a show about a military with it's chain of command and usually had at least one strong male leader character at the top. Whether that be Kirk,Picard,Sisko etc. Discovery's strong male character at the top ended up being the villain and the way Starfleet is depicted seems less military like.

You then add things like the Klingons being stand-ins for MAGA, one character being killed for mansplaining and Stacey Abrams as Earth President then it is very clear what politics the shows creators of the show have. The fact that is was Trek's most diverse cast ever was also just like added proof of their politics. That the show had bad writing though is what makes it the ultimate target for online criticism.

Republican content creators love liberal themed shows that aren't very good because it allows them to really promote the 'Go Woke, Go Broke" messaging and they can make the claim that the shows politics are why the show sucks. They have a harder time selling this message for shows that might be political but are also well written. Sometimes they try going after those shows but they know their bread and butter are the crappy shows and well lots of crappy shows are being made today so they got plenty of material to work with. Their only problem is a problem I have mentioned before which is over saturation. They have complained about wokeness so much and for so long that it has become yet the next thing that has become tedious and boring in our society.

 

[flyerdog]

Klingon's as MAGA?
imo That's just wrong and inappropriate since I always got the sense that Klingons were based on the ancient Samurai, with talk of honor and duty and the willingness to self sacrifice etc...portraying them in that manner (MAGA) is inaccurate if that is what is happening...

i try to consume a lot of analytical content on the subjects you just mentioned, and i tend to find holes in both "sides" (I hate that i have to use THAT term) of the arguments. But polarity defines our culture now, unfortunately.

 

[Set Harth]

I think some people felt it was political because we had a gay marriage, a non binary character and a trans person. To some that isn't a reflection of normal society, but politics. Some people are also biased and bigots.

These things were included because they're currently trendy. They didn't appear in the 1960s or 1990s shows because they weren't trendy then. ( Alternatively, because the people making those shows were all hateful, evil bigots and probably Hitler. )

 

[Santa Kang]

Klingon's as MAGA?
imo That's just wrong and inappropriate since I always got the sense that Klingons were based on the ancient Samurai, with talk of honor and duty and the willingness to self sacrifice etc...portraying them in that manner (MAGA) is inaccurate if that is what is happening...

That stuff was grafted on to the Klingons in TNG, They were originally stand ins for the Eastern Bloc with more than a touch of Yellow Peril. Brutal, ruthless and merciless. Kor in "Errand of Mercy" casually orders the execution of Organians.

 

[flyerdog]

That stuff was grafted on to the Klingons in TNG, They were originally stand ins for the Eastern Bloc with more than a touch of Yellow Peril. Brutal, ruthless and merciless. Kor in "Errand of Mercy" casually orders the execution of Organians.

and why not? they were just "Vege-tables"

 

[Jason X-Mas]

Klingon's as MAGA?
imo That's just wrong and inappropriate since I always got the sense that Klingons were based on the ancient Samurai, with talk of honor and duty and the willingness to self sacrifice etc...portraying them in that manner (MAGA) is inaccurate if that is what is happening...

i try to consume a lot of analytical content on the subjects you just mentioned, and i tend to find holes in both "sides" (I hate that i have to use THAT term) of the arguments. But polarity defines our culture now, unfortunately.

I am thinking of the Klingons was we first saw them on Discovery. The Klingons on TNG were basically Vikings and Shakespearean nobleman.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

These things were included because they're currently trendy. They didn't appear in the 1960s or 1990s shows because they weren't trendy then. ( Alternatively, because the people making those shows were all hateful, evil bigots and probably Hitler. )

Wanting gay characters and trans characters to be represented is more than just being trendy. I mean I guess it is trendy to some degree since people are now more open to that kind of representation but it's also the morally right thing to do as well. Not that I think lots of Republicans would agree with that moral interpretation but at the same time I also don't think just having gay or trans characters would turn away conservative fans anymore than any of the other liberal ideas we have seen in Trek.

I think tv and movies have shown us that conservative fans are willing to overlook liberal ideas and even liberal politics in tv shows and movies provided they see something in those shows that they feel also represents their values and ideas. In the past that might have been okay with all the liberals ideas in Trek because they do like spaceships and the military structure of Starfleet and strong male characters like Kirk and even female ones like say Kira.

With Discovery though I don't think they saw anything in that show that represents them in any fashion. Maybe Lorca but he was made the bad guy. I mean other than that I am not sure what the show had to offer anyone who might be conservative that would interest them. Thus it was deemed as being to political. Granted the show also lost liberal fans as well but that was more about the quality than the liberalism .