Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Tuskin38]

for the brits

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is coming to free-to-air TV – with release date now confirmed

It's officially time to delve into the stellar spin-off.

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[Eckauskas]

So...I'm taking this statement as an absolute from someone who states they exaggerate?

The crew compliment would also be a factor. And if ENTERPRISE D is for comfort I'll take the TOS Enterprise.

Maybe you're just playing devils advocate here or whatever, but we've seen crew quarters in TOS and they're nothing like what they have in SNW. Yes, Scotty exaggerates repair estimates, but that means the square root of bugger all when you can use your own eyes to see what quarters they use in SNW compared to bigger and more comfortable ships 100 years later.

It's just a bit ridiculous. Some things in Star Trek can be criticised without needing to become obtuse.

They dwarf the crew quarters in TNG. I don't think Picard had quarters as big as Pike's.

Exactly my point. Pikes kitchen alone looks to be about the size of Datas quarters on the D. And he has a fireplace too. It's just a bit ridiculous.

 

[fireproof78]

in TOS and they're nothing like what they have in SNW.

Asked and answered. Crew compliment doubled since Pike was in command.

It's just a bit ridiculous. Some things in Star Trek can be criticised without needing to become obtuse.

You can criticize. I'm taking exception to Scotty's comment for a number of reasons and the context of the episode is one of them. The episode treats Scotty poorly and it's a poor representation of his abilities.

I don't care as much about the comments around quarter size as much as I find the episode stupid and not a persuasive example, nevermind the fact that SNW is a ship with half the crew so spaces are used differently.

But, even if it doesn't line up, SNW is not something I think needs to perfectly line up with TOS. It aligns better with ENT and TMP.

 

[Yistaan]

Maybe you're just playing devils advocate here or whatever, but we've seen crew quarters in TOS and they're nothing like what they have in SNW. Yes, Scotty exaggerates repair estimates, but that means the square root of bugger all when you can use your own eyes to see what quarters they use in SNW compared to bigger and more comfortable ships 100 years later.

It's just a bit ridiculous. Some things in Star Trek can be criticised without needing to become obtuse.



Exactly my point. Pikes kitchen alone looks to be about the size of Datas quarters on the D. And he has a fireplace too. It's just a bit ridiculous.

He does seem to be playing "devil's advocate" and I facepalmed over the whole "poverty" thing that was quibbled over just so they could defend their stance, so I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this.

As for the quarters, we're running into a larger problem here where the producers are trying to imply that the interior design, large spacious quarters, etc. in SNW are how the show "always" looked in TOS onwards, even though screen evidence shows this isn't the case and large swaths of fans like us are pointing it out.

Until there's a consensus among producers and fans that the SNW Enterprise looks and is different from TOS and that there's an in-universe refit between the two, then it's pointless discussing because half the fans are going to take the stance of SNW's producers that how TOS looks isn't how it "really" looks, and so on. The quarter size argument is just a byproduct of that.

 

[fireproof78]

Until there's a consensus among producers and fans that the SNW Enterprise looks and is different from TOS and that there's an in-universe refit between the two, then it's pointless discussing because half the fans are going to take the stance of SNW's producers that how TOS looks isn't how it "really" looks, and so on. The quarter size argument is just a byproduct of that.

Or just a different timeline. Then no one and everyone is happy all at once

 

[camdudetenger2018]

And the response to that is "what the muppets"???

i meant to say what the

muppets

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

What, the Muppets?

 

[Yistaan]

TNG lost out on an opportunity where one Reading Rainbow episode featured a Levar Burton muppet. They should've put a visor on that muppet and feature it in an episode of Trek where Geordi is turned into a muppet.

 

[GhoulEddie74]

WHY the Muppets?

The question all future philosophers will ask.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

WHY the Muppets?

The question all future philosophers will ask.

The first puppet was the puppeteer's attempt to speak to his inner child through a imaginary friend, made solid. It allowed him to deal with his issues by talking to himself in ways he was to uncomfortable to deal with others, because of man's desire to keep his feelings to himself. Then one day he thought "You know, I can make some money off this idea. It will revolutionize psychoanalysis."

So he recorded himself talking to his puppet and then sent it off to Sigmund Freud but instead the mail go mixed up and landed on the desk of Luis B. Mayer at MGM. He was amazed. He thought puppetry would overtake film to become the new big thing. Granted it didn't work out but it did entertain enough folks that it stayed alive as a form of niche entertainment and that of course led eventually to the Muppets. Possibly.

 

[Firebird]

(a re-dress of the main conference room).

I don't think it was a redress. The three main Enterprise sets in The Cage were all arranged in a semi-circular orientation around the small bit of corridor.

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And you can see the door to the Transporter Room set right behind Dr. Boyce here:

That translucent ceiling piece got reused in each of the sets, however.

 

[fireproof78]

The first puppet was the puppeteer's attempt to speak to his inner child through a imaginary friend, made solid. It allowed him to deal with his issues by talking to himself in ways he was to uncomfortable to deal with others, because of man's desire to keep his feelings to himself. Then one day he thought "You know, I can make some money off this idea. It will revolutionize psychoanalysis."

So he recorded himself talking to his puppet and then sent it off to Sigmund Freud but instead the mail go mixed up and landed on the desk of Luis B. Mayer at MGM. He was amazed. He thought puppetry would overtake film to become the new big thing. Granted it didn't work out but it did entertain enough folks that it stayed alive as a form of niche entertainment and that of course led eventually to the Muppets. Possibly.

So...muppets have been around since before the Great Depression?

How did the person mailing send it to MGM when Freud worked in London and Vienna?

 

[GhoulEddie74]

I just realized the Enterprise corridor floors in "The Cage" are shiny. Well, kinda.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I don't think it was a redress. The three main Enterprise sets in The Cage were all arranged in a semi-circular orientation around the small bit of corridor.

​

And you can see the door to the Transporter Room set right behind Dr. Boyce here:

That translucent ceiling piece got reused in each of the sets, however.

Ah, that’s why I thought it was a redress. I didn’t realize that they used that ceiling set piece for different locations.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

So...muppets have been around since before the Great Depression?

How did the person mailing send it to MGM when Freud worked in London and Vienna?

One could call it a mistake. Others might call it fate.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

It didn't even mean much in Picard if you want to quibble because Raffi lived in a trailer home but because that counted as a home and she had a replicator she technically didn't meet the standards of poverty. There was like, a whole discussion about this when Picard was airing and I'm pretty sure you were around for those.

I've never really understood the argument about Raffi's home. She could have lived anywhere she wanted but chose to be off the grid in a small prefab home thats nicer than where I live.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

I've never really understood the argument about Raffi's home. She could have lived anywhere she wanted but chose to be off the grid in a small prefab home thats nicer than where I live.

One of the issues of trying to make her feel coded as a poor person but in a universe were poverty isn't even a thing anymore on Earth. While you can see what they are going for it doesn't really make sense logically in the Star Trek setting.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I've never really understood the argument about Raffi's home. She could have lived anywhere she wanted but chose to be off the grid in a small prefab home thats nicer than where I live.

I would love to live in Raffi's house.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

Raffi's home is damn nice. It just isn't a massive estate with Irish Romulan housekeepers and therefore is considered lesser in comparison.

 

[Yistaan]

One of the issues of trying to make her feel coded as a poor person but in a universe were poverty isn't even a thing anymore on Earth. While you can see what they are going for it doesn't really make sense logically in the Star Trek setting.

Patrick was trying to make a 21st century social commentary show in Star Trek. Picard shows how it ended up all wrong and inconsistent with how the Fed had previously been portrayed, with new wonky retcons that poverty is only defined by whether you have a trailer home and a replicator.

Andor is obviously the kind of show that Patrick wanted to make. Maybe he should've skipped Picard and been Luthen Rael in Andor, or something.