So are all books, comics and games are canon then?
They're all officially licenced just like the Eaglemoss stuff.
Using your logic, they would be.
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They're all officially licenced just like the Eaglemoss stuff.
Using your logic, they would be.
Go look up the post I replied to you with.
It's a bit more complicated & nuanced than that.
"Non-Fiction Reference Material" falls under different Canonicity Rules than "Fictional Stories" covered in Books / Comics / Games
Nah they're all equally non-canon
While they might not be "Canon Per Se".
The information published inside is generally used as reference data by many of the staff & crew.
It's also widely published & authorized by Paramount.
It's in a weird gray zone given how it's used IRL.
And when They do use it and we see it in an episode/movie... it becomes Official Canon.
Before that, not so much.
But any “grey zone” material that is never on screen is automatically superseded by whatever material does appear on screen (deleted scenes excepted unless later incorporated into an official on screen production). So before last Thursday, the length of the Enterprise was…ambiguous. Now? It is not.
Tell that to those who love "Matt Jefferies" TOS Connie design.
"Matt Jefferies" made the TOS Connies with a very specific defined set of dimensions.
Are you going to contradict his Connie with the SNW Connie that was made by "John Eaves"?
Ok.
It's not canon everyone.
I personally love Matt Jefferies' work but mine, or any other fan accolade, will make it canon material, even if officially licensed.
Sounds like he was hired by Eaglemoss and other licensees of Star Trek and not Paramount.
You do realized that wikis like Memory Alpha, Wikipedia and ESA aren't authoritative or official sources, right?
Why is Matt Jefferies in quotes? He's a real person with a real name.
His dimensions would be the the models, yes?
The owners of Star Trek would have to know who is handling their IP / Property.
There not going to give it to some "Rando".
They still chose him to be a critical part of it given his history with Trek.
But they reference the authoritative & official sources.
Also, many Trek Staffers have used Memory Alpha, Wikipedia, ESA as resources as well.
His drawings that became the physical models.
Did they? Or did the people at Eaglemoss? Not sure Paramount is involved with who their licensee hires to do the work.
Then post link to those sources.
So? That doesn't make it official
I assume the physical models weren't hundreds of meters long. Nor were the measurements on Jefferies drawings.
Officially licensed products not being canon to the main work is hardly unique to Star Trek. The Marvel Cinematic Universe came out with a bunch of licensed video games that ended up being non-canon (you can check the contradictions by entry at https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Video_Games ). What licensed means is that the rights owner is allowing a third party to create a work in the rights-holder's universe that is its own canon (D&D canon works like this, WOTC had a nice article on how it works but it's down now). So the MCU games aren't canon to the movies but canon with the other games. The old Trek stats for the licensed works would be canon to Trek tabletop RPGs, Star Fleet battles etc.
In the rare franchise where everything licensed is considered canon, even that gets deconstructed (the infamous Disney reboot in Star Wars, and even after that the K-2SO origin comic was decanonized by Andor Season 2 despite official LFL policy claiming they have equal canon status).
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Go ask Ben Robinson, he has the collection of info under his personal recordings & archives.
He publishes his information in officially licensed books.
He doesn't have a traditional website to share his stuff.
But it makes it apocryaphal and useful to reference since it references most of the canon sources for information along with analysis & context.
It's obviously a scale model, but Matt Jefferies did make original dimensional blue prints.
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ST Discovery Productions knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they expanded the SNW/DIS Connie into it's new size compared to the old TOS Connie.
They referenced the original size and expanded it by 53%
They know the original TOS Connie has a Original Set of Dimensions of L×W×H = (288.6m × 127.1 m × 72.6 m)
That's why they planted that info on-screen as a Easter Egg for the TOS fans.
They know what the Original TOS Connie dimensions are.
Their version of the Connie is different, that's why I don't think they're trying to re-write TOS Connie or previous incarnations of Star Trek.
What they are doing, is their own take, within the Discovery/SNW Continuity that they are a part of.
I'm not so hard up on blatantly interpreting one little bit of on-screen canon info, and just blindly appying it to past Star Trek shows.
That's silly and going to cause a lot of unnecessary headaches, arguments, & fights.
I accept that the SNW Connie is the dimensions listed above, that doesn't apply to TOS Connie made by Matt Jefferies.
I bet if you ask John Eaves who designed the SNW Connie the same question about the dimensions of the TOS Connie that Matt Jefferies made; if you think it's the new 442.06 m length, he'll look at you like you were crazy.
These guys know what they were doing when they planted that info on-screen.
They didn't expect you to blindly apply that info to past Star Trek Productions w/o a bit of thought.
Another good example of this - Jeri Taylor's novels Mosaic and Pathways. They were considered as canon to Voyager by the writing staff... until they weren't. Once Taylor retired from the show, Voyager superseded several details of the characters.
What am I asking him? If he works for Paramount or a licensee of Paramount?
Yeah and when that info makes it to the screen we can call it canon.
As I recall there was a scale on the diagram. Good enough.
I seen every episode of tos several times. The ship we see on tos is canon. The interior and exterior. Snw is much different.
Why do fans continuously think they are the arbiters of what constitutes canon?
Because drama and....well, drama.
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