Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

[Firebird]

Spoiler: EagleMoss Official Magazine Content containing TOS Connie

Not as speculative as you would think considering there are plenty of "Official Reference Source Material" that states the TOS Connies dimensions.

That's still not on screen confirmation. Eaglemoss is secondary tie-in merch, not primary source materials.

 

[fireproof78]

Doesn't change the fact that we now have an official size of the Enterprise. Everything else is just fan speculation.

Indeed, yes. It's not something that was official for the longest time. Yes, fans and those inclined to do so have tried to find a size and make it work. But the reality is we don't have a spoken size for the TOS. The ship was just a vehicle for the action, pun intended.

 

[Noname Given]

Good Luck in convincing all the other Trek Nerds to accept the new Size figures.

Have fun with that.

No convincing needed - the 'size' was never stated on screen before now. Nothing 'new' to accept.

All the fannonistas just need to get over themselves, just like the few fannonistas who still insit incorrect stuff like:

- Vulcans never lie (Spock lied in The Menagerie, and even in the episode where fannonistas make the claim Spock indicated Vulcans don't lie, The Enterprise Incisdent. Sarek also lied in Journey To Babel.)

- Spock is/was the first/only Vulcan in Starfleet. (100% disproven in The Imminity Syndrome with the fully Vulcan crewed USS Intrepid,)

Yep two example of innacurate 'Fannon' peoplem still like to clain IS cannon.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Depends on the custom.

True. Flowers to present for a date seems to have crossed the species barrier.

 

[TRON JA307020]

No convincing needed - the 'size' was never stated on screen before now. Nothing 'new' to accept.

All the fannonistas just need to get over themselves, just like the few fannonistas who still insit incorrect stuff like:

- Vulcans never lie (Spock lied in The Menagerie, and even in the episode where fannonistas make the claim Spock indicated Vulcans don't lie, The Enterprise Incisdent. Sarek also lied in Journey To Babel.)

- Spock is/was the first/only Vulcan in Starfleet. (100% disproven in The Imminity Syndrome with the fully Vulcan crewed USS Intrepid,)

Yep two example of innacurate 'Fannon' peoplem still like to clain IS cannon.

There's a diagram with a size scale of the Enterprise in tos.

No one's saying spock hasnt lied or stretched the truth before. He has.

 

[Noname Given]

There's a diagram with a size scale of the Enterprise in tos.

With NO numbers visable on screen.

No one's saying spock hasnt lied or stretched the truth before. He has.

Sorry. I know you haven't been a fan as long as I have, and rerally don't know TOS well but yes - MANY have over the years.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

TAS isn't supposed to be canon.

Might want to update your database. It's been canon for decades.

Yes, it's canon, but approximately 75% of Star Trek was made as if it never existed. You are both right and wrong. Please let's get along.

 

[The Wormhole]

OR noticed humans use contractions?

The contraction thing is just a joke referencing the old sci-fi trope that aliens never use contractions, of which Vulcans have already been presented to adhere to that trope. So here, they have fun with the trope by showing Doug completely unable to understand how to even use a contraction.

At least there were Earth orbiting starships. Apparently in Into Darkness, there were no Earth orbiting starships or they (along with Earth spacedock, starbase one, Mars Defense perimeter, etc.) didn't notice that the USS Vengeance was beating the pulp out of the Enterprise in Earth orbit (even if we theorize that the Vengeance had ultra-powerful cloaking or stealth abilities, SOMEONE should've noticed that the Enterprise was getting beaten up by something)

Considering Starfleet's Chief of Staff was personally commanding the Vengeance, it's not a stretch at all that he could have been waving off any other Starfleet ships in the area that might have noticed.

Good Luck in convincing all the other Trek Nerds to accept the new Size figures.

Have fun with that.

According to their own rules what's onscreen overrules everything else. These "Trek Nerds" you speak of owe it to themselves to accept the new size figures or they shouldn't expect anyone to take them seriously.

 

[Tallguy]

And DOUG as a Vulcan name? ROFLMAO!

I thought this was a pretty dumb joke. Then he started listing his siblings and I almost spit out my drink.

You know, buried in all of the frivolity were two major character bits that they just waltzed past. (And could have been anchors for their own episode or more of this one.)

When Spock is channeling "what are Vulcans" (because this was all generated by him, right?) THESE are the Vulcans he comes up with.

And La'an actually DOES have a monster lurking inside her that is tied to her infamous ancestor. It's her worst fear come true. (And it was interesting that the Romulan heritage was almost a red herring.)

 

[Jedi Marso]

The TOS enterprise doesn't have a canon size, so...

That's a ridiculous assertion. Those dimensions, along with dimensions of the TMP refit, have been floating around in various publications for years.

 

[Mudd]

Good Luck in convincing all the other Trek Nerds to accept the new Size figures.

Have fun with that.

That's not at all important.

 

[DaveyNY]

Good Luck in convincing all the other Trek Nerds to accept the new Size figures.

Have fun with that.

Not in my job description as a Trek fan.

Folks who wish to ignore current official canon, are just being foolish, cause this isn't anywhere near as thought provoking as many another change over the last 59 years.

 

[Yistaan]

That's a ridiculous assertion. Those dimensions, along with dimensions of the TMP refit, have been floating around in various publications for years.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter if the book says "Official" in the title. Unless it's onscreen, it's not canon (and even then there's wiggle room as obviously in the animated show, April's ethnicity in the cartoon wasn't canon). For example, Star Trek Countdown had "Official Prequel to 2009 film" plastered all over its cover. That meant zip when the Picard show came along and stamped all over it.

 

[DaveyNY]

That's a ridiculous assertion. Those dimensions, along with dimensions of the TMP refit, have been floating around in various publications for years.

Heh .. If it ain't on the screen, it's just a dream.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

That might have been the best hour of Star Trek I've ever watched.

More Pelia is always a good thing ("Honestly, I had the same problem with LSD, in the 1960's, and the 1990's, and last July). I thought La'an couldn't get any sexier than she usually is, but then "Romula'an" showed up.

Every storyline was super entertaining, plus the after-credits Human class with D'oug was a riot. D'oug and Ambassador V'Lar are now my two favorite guest Vulcans.

 

[Mudd]

That's a ridiculous assertion. Those dimensions, along with dimensions of the TMP refit, have been floating around in various publications for years.

Non-canon.

Also: canon is inconsistent. The measure of whether something is canon is not whether it can be made to fit with the other bits.

When you have two pieces of made-up canon that contradict each other, you know what you have?

Two pieces of canon.

 

[fireproof78]

Not in my job description as a Trek fan.

Folks who wish to ignore current official canon, are just being foolish, cause this isn't anywhere near as thought provoking as many another change over the last 59 years.

Indeed. It's resistance to change because the fictional universe is mutable.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That's still not on screen confirmation. Eaglemoss is secondary tie-in merch, not primary source materials.

Guess where Eaglemoss gets their data / info from?

Paramount.

Star Trek: The Official Starships Collection

Star Trek: The Official Starships Collection was a British magazine/display model collectible partwork publication and product line that was published by Eaglemoss Collections under its Hero Collector imprint and overall supervision of Project Manager Ben Robinson. Authorized and licensed by...

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Star Trek: The Official Starships Collection was a British magazine/display model collectible partwork publication and product line that was published by Eaglemoss Collections under its Hero Collector imprint and overall supervision of Project Manager Ben Robinson. Authorized and licensed by Paramount Consumer Products, it had been available in a substantial number of countries worldwide.

Guess who authorizes them to produce these "Officially Licensed Products"?

Paramount

Whenever they were available or existed, Robinson and his team utilized original live-action production-used CGI studio models, both for reference purposes and as basis for display model construction.[2] A Star Trek Fact Files veteran, reference book author, and custodian of his own Star Trek production art archive, Robinson oversaw the preparation of the magazines and the selection, commissioning, and decoration of the starship miniatures.

Each accompanying twenty-page magazine (measuring 219×284 mm, except as noted) featured comprehensive articles about the design, filming, and on-screen appearances of the original studio model(s). Alongside the use of archival material, new interviews were conducted with a number of Star Trek cast members and production staff for the publication. Reference photographs of studio models, production stills, and concept art reproductions are also used extensively. Detailed "in-universe" information about the vessel's history, crew, weapons, and technology was explored within starship profiles and in other feature articles.

Star Trek Fact Files

Launched at the start of 1997, The Official Star Trek Fact Files was a weekly Paramount Pictures-licensed partwork magazine series that was marketed and distributed in the UK, Europe, and Australasia by GE Fabbri, on behalf of end copyright holder Midsummer Books Ltd. In print from 1997 until...

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Launched at the start of 1997, The Official Star Trek Fact Files was a weekly Paramount Pictures-licensed partwork magazine series that was marketed and distributed in the UK, Europe, and Australasia by GE Fabbri, on behalf of end copyright holder Midsummer Books Ltd. In print from 1997 until 2002, 304 issues of 28 pages were published, producing a combined reference work of 7,904 pages – when discounting the cover and table of contents of the magazine issues. The series was designed to provide information about the Star Trek universe from an "in-universe" point of view.

The series covered all seasons of Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and Star Trek: Voyager, the first season of Star Trek: Enterprise, and the first nine Star Trek films. It did not incorporate any information from Star Trek: The Animated Series, as the series was not yet considered canon at that time.

Although based on canon productions and featuring imagery and information made available by the studio, the Fact Files frequently introduced non-canonical material when its writers and editors were unable to find relevant background material in the licensor's archives.

Each magazine consisted of a number of articles that could be taken apart and filed under their respective sections, and in turn, collected within several binders, with a binder supplied to subscribers every 16 issues.

The completed partwork is reputed to have become the largest Star Trek (in-universe) reference work by far, ever to have been released in print, only later on superseded in both content and scope by this wiki, Memory Alpha. [1] [2]

They have plenty of "Officially Printed" material that ties to the "In-Universe" lore w/o it having to be online.
Long before Online Wiki's were a thing.

Spoiler: EagleMoss Official Magazine Content containing TOS Connie

Spoiler: EagleMoss Official Magazine Content containing SNW Connie

Do you really think Paramount is going to have their Officially Licensed Products contradict itself?

Go ahead, you can believe what you want, appeal to authority that SNW's 442.06 meters applies to everything retroactively including the TOS Connie.

Or let's be realistic, Paramount isn't going to contradict their own past works.

Especially One's that are well established & beloved by a very rabid group of TOS fans; they're not going to waste their time & money to go back and edit all the previous printed content to make the TOS Connie to have 442.06 meters as their length instead of 289 meters. It's not worth their time, the controversy it would cause wouldn't be worth it.

You guys do what you want, believe what you want.
I believe what is logical & established.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm a colossal TOS nerd and love the visual continuity. And I now accept it.

Yes. Many fans will.

 

[Firebird]

Guess where Eaglemoss gets their data / info from?

Paramount.

Star Trek: The Official Starships Collection

Star Trek: The Official Starships Collection was a British magazine/display model collectible partwork publication and product line that was published by Eaglemoss Collections under its Hero Collector imprint and overall supervision of Project Manager Ben Robinson. Authorized and licensed by...

memory-alpha.fandom.com

Guess who authorizes them to produce these "Officially Licensed Products"?

Paramount

Star Trek Fact Files

Launched at the start of 1997, The Official Star Trek Fact Files was a weekly Paramount Pictures-licensed partwork magazine series that was marketed and distributed in the UK, Europe, and Australasia by GE Fabbri, on behalf of end copyright holder Midsummer Books Ltd. In print from 1997 until...

memory-alpha.fandom.com

They have plenty of "Officially Printed" material that ties to the "In-Universe" lore w/o it having to be online.
Long before Online Wiki's were a thing.

Spoiler: EagleMoss Official Magazine Content containing TOS Connie

Spoiler: EagleMoss Official Magazine Content containing SNW Connie

Do you really think Paramount is going to have their Officially Licensed Products contradict itself?

Go ahead, you can believe what you want, appeal to authority that SNW's 442.06 meters applies to everything retroactively including the TOS Connie.

Or let's be realistic, Paramount isn't going to contradict their own past works.

Especially One's that are well established & beloved by a very rabid group of TOS fans; they're not going to waste their time & money to go back and edit all the previous printed content to make the TOS Connie to have 442.06 meters as their length instead of 289 meters. It's not worth their time, the controversy it would cause wouldn't be worth it.

You guys do what you want, believe what you want.
I believe what is logical & established.

Not on screen = not canon. Tie-in merch doesn't count.

It's that simple, and I'm not continuing this argument.