The bridge from TFF is just excellent.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x04 - "A Space Adventure Hour"
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I actually just picked up a copy of that and it’s going to be my next read
Heh .. Don't even get me started on Trek longevity.
Attended the first Trek Con in NYC back in '72.
Trekkie vs Trekker was old news by then and we still had long debates about it.
I settled on being a Trek Person.
(was "WOKE" long before that was even a thing)
You're a newbie as far as I'm concerned and one that's so hung up on the "LOOK" of the shows that you've forgotten how to just sit back and enjoy them.
That's just simple minded foolishness and a sure way to destroy what you supposedly call something you love in your own head.
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Im not simple minded or foolish. Why do.you feel the need to insult me? Im giving my opinon. Ill always love the other trek shows. If matalas takes over ill be happier. He understands trek. Thats my opinon. Just because it doesn't align with your own doesn't make me simple minded. Sorry but youre really not a nice person at all when you feel the need insult on these boards.
No he doesn't lol. Seasons 2 and 3 of Picard felt like bad fan fiction.
Season 1 and 2 were terrible. Season 3 while not perfect felt like star trek and had the whole tng cast together again instead of the crew we got the first 2 seasons.
It felt like a shitty TNG movie.
with some of them acting wildly out of character.
A man more in love with a large piece of metal than a real humanoid. Dude has issues.
Welcome to James T. Kirk.
Enjoyment appears to be a lost art in fandom. I had a similar discussion on another site around a desire for Trek to educate vs. a Trek that entertains. I'm looking at entertainment first and foremost.
At least Kirk's, McCoy's and Spock's romances with women lasted a lifetime....right? Have you watched TOS?
For a start, long term and short term fans should stop assuming they speak for all of fanhood.
If you want Trek to 'get better' based on your definition of better, well if you keep watching then the producers will assume you like what is on the box. If you refuse to vote with your remote control, you will continue to get upset if you keep drinking the 'Not my Trek' Kool aid.
Saying 'Behold the smart phone' would be a better analogy or 'Behold the smart flatscreen tv'!
You mean Scotty did not respond, 'what's a holodeck laddie?' I am shocked, I tell ye, shocked!
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FTFY
Although, it's quite likely any official response would be diplomatic, but I wonder what Eugene Roddenberry thinks of this episode. Specifically it's reflection of TOS or even morso on his father. Did he feel it was mean spirited? Would love to chat him up about it over a beer if it was possible.
To me the episode didn't land to on it's own merits . But there's a debate out there on whether this was a loving homage , a mean spirited parody or somewhere in between ( where I'm leaning).
Although fans can claim how others involved with TOS would feel, I put much more weight on the individuals who were actually connected to the series.
To me the episode didn't land to on it's own merits . But there's a debate out there on whether this was a loving homage , a mean spirited parody or somewhere in between ( where I'm leaning).
Although fans can claim how others involved with TOS would feel, I put much more weight on the individuals who were actually connected to the series.
I was confused by the opening Last Frontier segment. As satire, it doesn't have any bite, since none of the jokes apply to TOS (apart from the too-short skirts and the somewhat tremulous female crew member); we are meant to think Last Frontier is poorly written, poorly acted, poorly lit, poorly directed, its special effects poorly executed, and TOS wasn't any of those things. You can say, even as a Star Trek fan generally, that you don't like TOS (its dialogue, acting styles, structure, superannuated practical effects and gender roles) and you'll get no argument from me. I love it, but it's not for everyone, especially as the years go by and certain aspects of it come to seem more and more alien to a younger viewer who didn't grow up with it. But you can't say it was amateurish or poorly made. So at first I concluded that this segment was meant just as a fun lark playing with the third-hand pop cultural take on "Star Trek"-- crappy SFX and sets a la the SNL spoof of Star Trek from the 70s, over the top acting a la the Jim Carrey/In Living Color imitation of William Shatner etc.
But then I got to the in-universe credit sequence and the rest of the episode and I began to think maybe it *was* supposed to be satire, and was confused. Do the makers of this show believe this about TOS, that it was some kind of Ed Wood production: it had the best of intentions but it was shoddily made?
In the end I have to assume the truth is closer to the first interpretation- it was not so much satire as just meta-fictional hi-jinks, and YMMV depending on how clever, funny or fun you find the hi-jinks. It strikes me as an odd way to treat your own IP, but old TOS-heads like me aren't the target audience-- new, marginal fans are. So if the episode is grabbing the attention of new viewers who don't now (and won't ever) know much about TOS but are intrigued by the idea of Star Trek lampooning itself in-universe, then I suppose it was a success.
^ I agree, that whole opening was weird. I’m all for the franchise poking fun at itself, but this was neither funny nor did it have anything clever or biting to say about the original show and its 60s sci-fi television trappings. And if they couldn’t figure out a way to have a somewhat meaningful observation about the original, at least make the damn scene funny. It went on for way too long, considering that it didn’t really went anywhere.
Was rewatching that one as well the other day and wondered about a couple of things: Number One is giving Scotty hell because he was working alone and didn’t ask anyone for help with his problems with the holodeck … except he did ask someone for help, Uhura, which was essential in solving the problems. I understand she probably meant that there was an entire engineering staff at his disposal, but still, it’s a little weird that she would berate him for not asking anyone for help, when that was exactly what he did.
And the other thing: After Una’s character on the holodeck is poisoned and dies there is a scene where La’an is talking to Scotty and says: “Base the holodeck on a battle simulator and it’s going to act like one. Well, it figured me out, learned my moves. Just like an enemy opponent.” And I wonder what exactly she is referring to. What does she mean “it figured her out”? Just because another flippin’ holodeck character got murdered? You know, one of the clichés of the pulp mystery novels this is based on?
Was rewatching that one as well the other day and wondered about a couple of things: Number One is giving Scotty hell because he was working alone and didn’t ask anyone for help with his problems with the holodeck … except he did ask someone for help, Uhura, which was essential in solving the problems. I understand she probably meant that there was an entire engineering staff at his disposal, but still, it’s a little weird that she would berate him for not asking anyone for help, when that was exactly what he did.
And the other thing: After Una’s character on the holodeck is poisoned and dies there is a scene where La’an is talking to Scotty and says: “Base the holodeck on a battle simulator and it’s going to act like one. Well, it figured me out, learned my moves. Just like an enemy opponent.” And I wonder what exactly she is referring to. What does she mean “it figured her out”? Just because another flippin’ holodeck character got murdered? You know, one of the clichés of the pulp mystery novels this is based on?
I really like SNW. I think it’s the best Trek since DS9. It amazes me that it has been so good considering that it came from the same people that made the unwatchable STD. However, this episode crossed a line. What I thought was going to something a loving tribute to TOS, or perhaps a “Chaotica” type episode instead turned out to be a giant condescending insult to TOS, to Shatner, to Gene Roddenberry and to all TOS fans. Instead of a loving tribute that poked a little harmless fun at the show that started it all, it seemed more like the SNW creators and writers were pouring out derision and contempt on it. They seem to think they are far superior to the source material. And they did this in an episode that was highly derivative of several TNG episodes, especially the Moriarty episodes. If they wanted to flip a middle finger to TOS and its fans, they could have a least done it with a more original storyline.
I’ve tried to make allowances for SNW violations of canon and timelines. I realize that it may be unreasonable for young creators to love a TV show that is more than 50 years old and was made for a different era. I get it. I have to remind myself that TOS to them looks to them like the Flash Gordon serials of the 1920s looks to me. I try to make allowances for that. While TOS technology looked amazing and totally believable to me when I was growing up in the 70s, I get that the young people of today don’t see it the same way. While TOS had a few cheesy moments (the aliens in Catspaw, for example), it never looked as terrible as they portrayed in this episode. They were portraying something that was more in line with the Flash Gordons of the twenties.
TOS is the only reason SNW exists. It’s fan”s are the only reason it exists. A glimpse of TOS in the midst of STD caused fans to cry out for real Star Trek. The fans were heard and SNW was created. Perhaps the creators of STD were insulted that fans rejected their show and they were forced to come up with SNW. Perhaps this was their way of flipping off fans that called for the return to real Star Trek. I think the creators of STD hate Star Trek.
Go view the episodes of STD where Pike took command and compare them to SNW. You will see a vast difference. In STD, you are constantly clobbered over the head with sermons about diversity and teamwork. The stories are secondary to the preaching. SNW generally emphasizes entertaining stories. That is their purpose. They have thinly-veiled social messages like TOS did, but they are secondary to the story. In STD, the story was secondary to the heavy-handed condescending preaching that permeated nearly every moment of every episode. Perhaps this episode was the SNW creators’s way of telling the audience that they’ll give the fans what they want so that they (the creators) can make a living, but they think it is beneath them.
I’ve tried to make allowances for SNW violations of canon and timelines. I realize that it may be unreasonable for young creators to love a TV show that is more than 50 years old and was made for a different era. I get it. I have to remind myself that TOS to them looks to them like the Flash Gordon serials of the 1920s looks to me. I try to make allowances for that. While TOS technology looked amazing and totally believable to me when I was growing up in the 70s, I get that the young people of today don’t see it the same way. While TOS had a few cheesy moments (the aliens in Catspaw, for example), it never looked as terrible as they portrayed in this episode. They were portraying something that was more in line with the Flash Gordons of the twenties.
TOS is the only reason SNW exists. It’s fan”s are the only reason it exists. A glimpse of TOS in the midst of STD caused fans to cry out for real Star Trek. The fans were heard and SNW was created. Perhaps the creators of STD were insulted that fans rejected their show and they were forced to come up with SNW. Perhaps this was their way of flipping off fans that called for the return to real Star Trek. I think the creators of STD hate Star Trek.
Go view the episodes of STD where Pike took command and compare them to SNW. You will see a vast difference. In STD, you are constantly clobbered over the head with sermons about diversity and teamwork. The stories are secondary to the preaching. SNW generally emphasizes entertaining stories. That is their purpose. They have thinly-veiled social messages like TOS did, but they are secondary to the story. In STD, the story was secondary to the heavy-handed condescending preaching that permeated nearly every moment of every episode. Perhaps this episode was the SNW creators’s way of telling the audience that they’ll give the fans what they want so that they (the creators) can make a living, but they think it is beneath them.
It wasn't anything of the sort lol
Nope. They all like TOS.
Nope.
It had nothing to do with the fans.
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