Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x05 - "Through the Lens of Time"

[Kamen Rider Blade]

"So...Best way to kill it, just to be sure?..."

Beam the orb near a black hole, give it a nice push into it so that it can't escape the blackhole.

Heck, Lower Decks did an entire episode about how all the caves on Star Trek look the same.

I'm sure to those who aren't trained to explore caves, everything looks the same to laymen eyes.

 

[Paul755]

Fantastic episode. Best of the season.

Was not a fan of the Spock/Chapel stuff but I think it’s hilarious Spock and La’an just take a detour to pound town after their dance lessons and leave it at that.

Carol Kane was AMAZING here conveying the fear and threat of the alien. When he called her a “Lanthanite Child”…good stuff. And then she finishes off her big scary speech at the end with the joke about the photo. So good.

The fight with suddenly feral Batel was good too. If this species is so old, how old does that make the Gorn that it would trigger that DNA to go into immediate fight mode.

The “Event Horizon” makeup on “Gamble” was really great. Nice and simple and creepy as FUCK. I am sad to lose him though. Thought he could have been a nice secondary character ala Nurse Ogawa.

I wonder if there is a Q connection with these aliens, they did mention finding artifacts on the planet Trelane mentions in WBB. That type of prison does feel like something the Q might devise.

Gonna give this one a very rare 9/10.

 

[Galaxy]

Glad to see some exploring, but



3. So, was Redjac a Vezda?

I'm surprised more people aren't predicting that. Effects proceed causes, posses people, pure evil, evidence of a prior connection to Earth, takes control of the ship, defeated by the transporter, has a reason to want to screw over Scotty, in particular; I think that little bastard was Redjac.

Good catch

They both use the word Vedza-pah to refer to these entities. Entities which are kept in crystalline containers in a prison outside of linear time, from which they cannot escape.

These are the pah-wraiths.

The crystal structure did give of Bajoran orb vibe. I missed that the literally used the term pah though.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

We're now at 3 episodes this season where they've tied some element of the episode to TNG, not quite breaking canon but definitely bending it enough to the point where we're noticing lol.

What was the TNG connection ?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

You mean like TV Guide? I absolutely knew well in advance that Denise Crosby was leaving The Next Generation, that Terry Farrell was leaving Deep Space Nine and that Jennifer Lien was leaving Voyager before the episodes aired.

You think everyone gets the same TV Guide as you.

Every Trek fan on the planet ?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

By the time Star Trek came to TV, I had already been scared outta my mind one Saturday afternoon by the original Godzilla movie back in 1964. (I was 6)
By the age of 8 (1966), scary TV was something I looked forward to.

TNG came out not long after the golden age of horror. When I started watching Trek as a tiny child I was also able to watch Chukie, Elm St., Omen, Halloween etc. on TV in Ireland.

Trek is like Care Bears in comparison to what kids get tk see.

 

[Rahul]

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Never noticed before that the size of that REC ROOM certainly indicated that the TOS Enterprise was A LOT bigger than we were led to believe for the first few decades.
It's almost as size defying as the Turbolifts on the Discovery.

I really like the size of the Rec Room (could be a former storage room):
It implies the size of the actual simulation is limited - they cannot walk or swim further than the room is big.

Clearly a big improvement with the TNG era holodeck then, which are small in size & imply when the groups split up & get lost there's some kind of separate simulation going on for everyone?
In short - the TNG era holodeck is way more "magic" than the Rec Room. Which fits, with being 100 years of technical advancement later.
(SNW's was also sufficiently large - however I still would have preferred the SNW one being on a research facility, space station or something, instead of a small one-off experiment on the Enterprise itself - but NITPICK!)

I think it was more that he recognized what the living statue was, and it was something VERY scary in the myths and legends of his people.

Kinda like:

"Hmm. An ancient structure built by my ancestors. How very interesting and excitng." Explores a little further, spots a certain glowing idol. "Holy crap, this is the Unholy Temple of Cthulhu! Get me the hell out of here!"

There's ancient ruins of uncertain purpose -- and there's suddenly realizing that this ruin is the Hellmouth.

I think that was one of my major grievances with this episode - the temple didn't feel "old". It looked shiny, new & functional (which could have been a plot point itself - the temple being "preserved" out of time or something).
Also way too big - you tell me no-one ever scanned for such large underground structures?
Also... The interior VR set was taller than the Temple from the outside... (again, both could have had an "out-of-phase" explanation)
In general, the whole "trapped in temple" story felt very underbaked for me. This should have been a whole damn episode itself. OR (and that could be my nostalgia speaking) - just a damn cave set we saw so regular on TNG/VOY/DS9.

 

[Eddie Roth]

I'm getting a bit restless with the show this season. Literally, for five episodes they've done horror - comedy - horror - comedy - horror. Judging by next week's episode title, I'm 100% sure it will be comedy again.

Now these genres can have their place in ST too, sure, but that they limit themselves to one or the other - some scary creature to be combatted or some broad comedy hijinks - doesn't really do either the words "Star Trek" or the words "Strange New Worlds" justice. Same in this one. Alright, so there's a mission of exploration, which is good, but what it becomes is ultimately just standing around in one room for half an hour and solving a puzzle that I'm pretty sure I already did in some video game. And the big mystery of the place is that, after the Gorn and the recent zombies, there's yet another EVIL creature hidden there. Perhaps this is set-up for something larger, although I'm not sure I'm interested in more of this, but that they would actually go there in dialogue and offer as the only explanation "It's evil" is disappointing and simplistic. (It didn't help that Carol Kane delivered that explanation in her probably least convincing acting moment yet.)

I dunno. I really liked this show before, and aside from its birth defect (prequelitis), I see it as capable of delivering classic-format Star Trek in a modern aesthetic. So it has all the cards, but I don't understand why they refuse to take their own show and concept seriously. One week it's a gimmick, the next a trite retread.

 

[The Wormhole]

Everyone absolutely did not, that happened in 1988, the only people who knew were people who followed some very specific entertainment magazines.

Well, you just said it yourself, people following entertainment magazines. The information was out there, from official sources available to the general public, was my point.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

I found the stuff with Gamble more interesting than the temple mystery story. I felt bad for the poor guy though it was a dumb move on his part just picking up the glowing orb. It showed his inexperience and excitement in growing on a landing party though. It could have been more creepy than it was. Obviously this is setting up some new threat probably for the season finale.

The stuff in the temple dragged this down for me. It was just ok. Not very exciting. Wish it felt more dangerous. My least favorite episode of the season. 7/10

 

[Nerys Myk]

You think everyone gets the same TV Guide as you.

It was a nationally distributed US magazine. So yeah, the articles were the same for everyone who picked it up. No idea if it was distributed elsewhere.

 

[Tuskin38]

Are these transdimensional aliens going to be a new threat to Enterprise, or is this just a one off adventure?

The the of the episode implied that the one that infected Gamble was still there at least

 

[Romulan_spy]

I give the episode lots of credit for doing a scifi concept. This is what I like. My criticism of the holodeck ep is that it was a poor rehash of a tired trope. So big kudos to this episode for getting back to strange new worlds and strange new aliens. The plot with Gamble was compelling and creepy. I can't shake the feeling that the episode could have done more with the concept of the temple and the interdimensional beings but I can't quite figure out why. I feel like maybe it was afraid to take risks. And if I have one nitpick is that perhaps the pacing of the ep could have been better. I think it took too long to get into the main mystery. We get the silly relationship stuff in the opening and then quite a bit of build up before the away team actually enters the temple. That could have been trimmed a bit to give more stuff to the actual mystery.

 

[valkyrie013]

Was very good,
Lost Dana, which wasn't good.. I liked him, and him poping up in previous episodes being rah rah nurse was a better build up and emotional attachment than what they did in Disco with the robot lady. You felt his death.. He's brain dead.. F$&#& noo!

Okay, a Grivance.. Where the hell is PIKE! He is the star of the show, yet over the past 4 episodes he's been sidelined by the other characters. I mainly watch it for Anson, I know he has a small kid ( 2 now) but I miss him being the lead!

 

[eschaton]

I'm getting a bit restless with the show this season. Literally, for five episodes they've done horror - comedy - horror - comedy - horror. Judging by next week's episode title, I'm 100% sure it will be comedy again.

Next week's episode is supposed to cover Kirk's first day as captain of the Farragut, so I highly doubt it involves comedy.

The crystal structure did give of Bajoran orb vibe. I missed that the literally used the term pah though.

There were lots of potential tie-ins here. Like, the planet they went to in this episode was Vadia XI, which was the original homeworld of "maybe-Trelane" from Wedding Bell Blues.

I don't think the Vedza are supposed to be some kind of "Dark Q" or anything, but I think the implication is the proto-Q, before they transcended, were the ones who trapped them there.

 

[FreezeC77]

I feel like before they collapsed the different planes of existence onto each other they should have coordinated to make sure they were at different spots to not merge into someone...

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The fight with suddenly feral Batel was good too. If this species is so old, how old does that make the Gorn that it would trigger that DNA to go into immediate fight mode.

I don't think it was supposed to represent that these beings had some type of history with the Gorn. I interpreted it as the Gorn DNA picking up on that there was something off and hostile about Gamble. Kind of in the same way a dog will detect hostility in humans through subtle cues like body language or scent even if that person isn't being outwardly hostile

 

[bookworm8571]

Too gory for me. I figured the nurse was toast as soon as they introduced him, but thought Batel would kill him.

 

[Artoo Atari]

Great, solid Trek story. Leaned a little too much into the whole eye horror thing, but I greatly enjoyed it. As mentioned by other reviewers, it was nice to see them finally getting back to visiting a strange new world.

Did anyone else notice N'Jal saying this?


Then later on, Batel in Gorn mode says...



They both use the word Vedza-pah to refer to these entities. Entities which are kept in crystalline containers in a prison outside of linear time, from which they cannot escape.

These are the pah-wraiths.

Whoa. They were the first thing I thought of while I was watching the episode due to the similarity, but I honestly didn't catch the "-pah" either. Great observation!

 

[FredH]

Never noticed before that the size of that REC ROOM certainly indicated that the TOS Enterprise was A LOT bigger than we were led to believe for the first few decades.
It's almost as size defying as the Turbolifts on the Discovery.

A ha, but maybe that room is itself a holographic “holding pattern”, and the real room is the size of a closet…