Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Telltale Hearts of Qo'noS]

I wasn't really on board with this show (other than I will definitely watch it anyway) until Picardo was added to the main cast. My feelings were basically, I still don't really want an Academy series, but I won't say no to the doctor. I've never been a fan of the idea any academy series. I'm pretty damn excited now that we have a teaser. It looks fun and now that I'm older, a series about young people who want to do the Star Trek things like be smart and kind and have meetings to avoid violence feels like exactly what I've been needing lately. Getting older is weird.

 

[Quinton]

I wasn't really on board with this show (other than I will definitely watch it anyway) until Picardo was added to the main cast. My feelings were basically, I still don't really want an Academy series, but I won't say no to the doctor. I've never been a fan of the idea any academy series. I'm pretty damn excited now that we have a teaser. It looks fun and now that I'm older, a series about young people who want to do the Star Trek things like be smart and kind and have meetings to avoid violence feels like exactly what I've been needing lately. Getting older is weird.

I’m with ya to a word, Klingon homeworld.

 

[Fateor]

They control the lore, so they do have a say.

That's not an argument you really want to make given Mike McMahan's voiced opinion on the subject of Discovery's canon status.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

That's not an argument you really want to make given Mike McMahan's voiced opinion on the subject of Discovery's canon status.

Where can I find this voiced opinion? I assume it's a serious and unambiguous statement.

 

[Fateor]

Where can I find this voiced opinion? I assume it's a serious and unambiguous statement.

Lower Decks commentary tracks.

Also, just so there's no ambiguity.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ All that guy did was give the verbal equivalent of a shrug and spew out a bunch of words that didn't actually mean - or amount to - much of anything at all, so the fact that anybody would ever try to hinge an argument on those words is ridiculous.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Lower Decks commentary tracks.

Also, just so there's no ambiguity.

It's full of ambiguity. Maybe you should read what you linked.

 

[Dukhat]

Given the fact that 'Prime Timeline' is actually official Trek Franchise terminology that was coined by the Powers That Be, this argument holds no water.

I'm not talking about IRL. The 'argument' is that the fictitious people in the show, from whatever universe they hail from, consider their universe to be the 'prime' one. We've even seen an example of someone from an alternate universe using that term to describe their own universe.

So, now, getting back to IRL, a case can be made that the audience is free to interpret what they see on screen as taking place in the quote-unquote Prime universe, or an alternate universe, despite what the vaunted Powers That Be say, because it's all fiction and every universe is 'prime' to these characters anyway. The fact that members of this board go out of their way to alienate anyone who feels this way, even though those people are not actually telling other people that they need to believe it, is quite unwelcoming and distasteful IMHO. What the hell do you care how I interpret the show?

The producers of SNW and other CBSTrek are not taking the shows anywhere near as seriously as you are. So stop telling people how seriously they need to take them.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Star Trek is serious business, sir!

 

[Dukhat]

Star Trek is serious business, sir!

Here, it is. The other 99% of Trek fans probably don't agree.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Here, it is. The other 99% of Trek fans probably don't agree.

They wouldn't be Trek fans if they agreed on something.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm not talking about IRL. The 'argument' is that the fictitious people in the show, from whatever universe they hail from, consider their universe to be the 'prime' one. We've even seen an example of someone from an alternate universe using that term to describe their own universe.

So, now, getting back to IRL, a case can be made that the audience is free to interpret what they see on screen as taking place in the quote-unquote Prime universe, or an alternate universe, despite what the vaunted Powers That Be say, because it's all fiction and every universe is 'prime' to these characters anyway. The fact that members of this board go out of their way to alienate anyone who feels this way, even though those people are not actually telling other people that they need to believe it, is quite unwelcoming and distasteful IMHO. What the hell do you care how I interpret the show?

The producers of SNW and other CBSTrek are not taking the shows anywhere near as seriously as you are. So stop telling people how seriously they need to take them.

I thinks it's ironic that you're telling people arguing in favour of the prime timeline so seriously when people are taking it so seriously they literally have to deny reality because they don't like a tv show.

Would you not find it at least puzzling if I said that TNG does not occur in the same timeline as TOS or DS9 is in alternate universe to TNG because 'time travel'

 

[Dukhat]

I thinks it's ironic that you're telling people arguing in favour of the prime timeline so seriously when people are taking it so seriously they literally have to deny reality because they don't like a tv show.

Would you not find it at least puzzling if I said that TNG does not occur in the same timeline as TOS or DS9 is in alternate universe to TNG because 'time travel'

To be honest, Roddenberry didn't think TOS and TNG took place in the same continuity, or at best he felt that things in TOS didn't actually happen the way we saw them on screen. With that said, that's obviously not what fans and future producers believed.

As far as TNG to DS9, that doesn't really work because it's glaringly obvious that the latter is a direct sequel to the former. But hey, if you didn't want to believe that, I'm not stopping you. How many Knight Rider sequels did they make that ended up not being in continuity with each other because the newest producer of them says so?

And really, 'time travel' has nothing to do with anything. The most cogent argument I've heard on that subject is the fan theory that ENT and everything going forward from that show production-wise takes place in a different timeline because of the events of FC. And even that's pretty iffy.

 

[eschaton]

I wasn't really on board with this show (other than I will definitely watch it anyway) until Picardo was added to the main cast. My feelings were basically, I still don't really want an Academy series, but I won't say no to the doctor. I've never been a fan of the idea any academy series. I'm pretty damn excited now that we have a teaser. It looks fun and now that I'm older, a series about young people who want to do the Star Trek things like be smart and kind and have meetings to avoid violence feels like exactly what I've been needing lately. Getting older is weird.

The funny part about getting older is you can still relate to the problems of young people, having, you know, been young yourself at one point.

 

[MikHutch]

I was skeptical, but seeing a Jem'Hadar piqued my interest. I do wish we had some less "forehead ridge" looking aliens

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

I have some hope for the series being okay but I do feel like one might not want to get to attached because I think it will be cancelled after season 1 because of the merger. I feel like they have been slowly cleaning house of Kurtzman Trek. First out was Prodigy and then Lower Decks and we never got the Legacy show that billions of Trek fans wanted. Now they are wrapping up SNW. Not to mention Discovery was cancelled, despite them wanting to come back and do another series. I think Academy only got made because it was so far made that to cancel it before aired would be a lots of money. I do wonder what the new owners will do with the Trek franchise. Hopefully they will understand Trek works better on tv than at the movies.

 

[MikHutch]

I have some hope for the series being okay but I do feel like one might not want to get to attached because I think it will be cancelled after season 1 because of the merger. I feel like they have been slowly cleaning house of Kurtzman Trek. First out was Prodigy and then Lower Decks and we never got the Legacy show that billions of Trek fans wanted. Now they are wrapping up SNW. Not to mention Discovery was cancelled, despite them wanting to come back and do another series. I think Academy only got made because it was so far made that to cancel it before aired would be a lots of money. I do wonder what the new owners will do with the Trek franchise. Hopefully they will understand Trek works better on tv than at the movies.

They already set it up for a season 2

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

How set in stone is that? I do hope whatever happens they are allowed to give closure to the show in some fashion.

 

[fireproof78]

Would you not find it at least puzzling if I said that TNG does not occur in the same timeline as TOS or DS9 is in alternate universe to TNG because 'time travel'

I'd say that.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

How set in stone is that? I do hope whatever happens they are allowed to give closure to the show in some fashion.

IIRC, they're either already filming the second season, or they start very soon. Definitely before the first season premieres anyway.