The Sutherland? I really want to see that order carried out one day.
Poll A way the S31/MU-Gergiou show COULD work?
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Depends how you look at it. You could argue that the Star Wars saga is all about Anakin.
That's another great point. Also, I would be curious to know if Dukat might have been able to have such a redemption arc.
Sorry, I tried to link the the number one thing...
"1 DISREGARDED A VISION IN WHICH HE REDEEMS HIMSELF
Here's the thing about a man who is supposed to be acting from good intentions most of the time: you'd think he'd want to do better if the opportunity presented itself. We're led to believe that Darth Vader has the best intentions at first, turning toward the dark side to save his wife. It seems like he had no shot at turning to the light again until his son Luke came into the picture. That's totally not true.
Instead of embracing this better alternative future for himself, Vader continues to bleed the crystal with all of his anguish and anger, fulfilling his mission rather than redeeming himself, as he saw was possible. "
Other highlights include crushing an individual's heart just as a show of force to criminals, slaughtering Jocasta Nu and a whole squad of clones so they didn't discover his identity, the Rogue One slaughter, as well as eradicate whole villages while stranded on Ryloth.
But, he gets to be a Force Ghost.
Certainly Lucas would argue that.
While I don't object to the premise of a S31 series I do have the same reservations as the OP. Yes, the MU characters are often Cartoonish, sadistic, murderous doppelgangers of the characters from "our" universe. Thing is, they usually go back over their side of the multiverse fence (or vice versa) and we hand-wave them away - "Ah well, that's the MU for you - bloody nutcase reality" - and forget about them. However, MU Georgiou has stuck around and wants to play in this universe, so her actions against LIFE in general have to be held up to some scrutiny. She shouldn't get a clean slate because the billions she murdered were from a different universe.
And because some of us have reasoned it this way, you say we want "fluffy" trek (Fluffy... seriously?) and point us in the direction of S1/2 of TNG? Come on. The darker moments of Trek are among my favorite. Christ, most of my favorite series are dark as hell. But this isn't Hannibal. Georgiou isn't guest starring as a potential antagonist, she's one of the leads. And no, that doesn't mean you can't have a darker character as a lead (see Hannibal). What I am saying is the series would have to be wildly different from any Trek series we've seen before with some damn good writing and explore the character as she's been presented thus far for any serious dramatic effect. If it's Spys in Space w/ dark, edgy Georgiou it's going to be a complete gloss over.
How's that worse than genocide and eating the flesh of a sapient humanoid?
Slaughtung the terrorists(rebels) in rogue one was not a evil action.
They where legitimate enemy combatants in a war zone.
Vader did a lot of evil stuff, but killing enemy soilders doesn't really count.
Genocide of Alderaan and cannibalizing droid parts to save himself.How's that worse than genocide and eating the flesh of a sapient humanoid?
Vader is evil. Yet redeemable because...reasons
This line of arbitration doesn't make sense to me.
Disagree on that one. There was no reason for Vader to get involved nor to torment and slaughter enemy combatants the way that he did.
Genocide of Alderaan and cannibalizing droid parts to save himself.
Vader is evil. Yet redeemable because...reasons
This line of arbitration doesn't make sense to me.
Disagree on that one. There was no reason for Vader to get involved nor to torment and slaughter enemy combatants the way that he did.
No reason to get involved?
He was a servant of the empire and unlike most cowardly leaders today was willing to fight from the front.
And torment?
Light Sabre in the chest is pretty dam quick. They got quick deaths.
Agree to disagree on that one, since lightsaber to chest was not the only way they died. Yes, it was tortuous.
I love Michelle Yoeh, but I'm tired of Mirror-Georgieu and In not terribly interested in Section 31. The movie was watchable enough and that's all I need. Do something else.
So... Starfleet Academy?
I love every second Mirror Georgiou graces our screens and would eagerly sit there watching a countdown timer should Section 31 spin into a show.
I can't help but eye roll at the space hitler designation every time I see it, it's like you've never seen anyone from the Mirror Universe before. Par for the course over there but she's in a whole other universe now where she hasn't done any of these things to these people so it's not like we're expecting her victims to forgive her.
Hers is a bit of a different redemption arc, a nature vs nurture deal, she's from a whole universe where murder is a pastime and genocide is literally a survival tactic. You can't really escape it. Do you do terrible things to survive or say nah I'd rather be tortured to death and keep my princples?
And as was pointed out, there was no cannibalism. Sapiovorism yes but she is certainly not the only instance of that so there's a few folks you need to be condemning for that.
I can't help but eye roll at the space hitler designation every time I see it, it's like you've never seen anyone from the Mirror Universe before. Par for the course over there but she's in a whole other universe now where she hasn't done any of these things to these people so it's not like we're expecting her victims to forgive her.
Hers is a bit of a different redemption arc, a nature vs nurture deal, she's from a whole universe where murder is a pastime and genocide is literally a survival tactic. You can't really escape it. Do you do terrible things to survive or say nah I'd rather be tortured to death and keep my princples?
And as was pointed out, there was no cannibalism. Sapiovorism yes but she is certainly not the only instance of that so there's a few folks you need to be condemning for that.
Holy 5 year thread revive, Batman!
Looks like you're right. I wasn't paying attention to dates in a new forum. I wonder why this thread was moved to this forum if we aren't supposed to respond old threads.
Because there’s actually no problem with posting in a thread this old, as long as the OP and many of the people originally involved in the thread are still around to respond (✓ check), the new post is at least somewhat substantial and not just some one-word post (✓ check) and generates some new discussion (✓ check). But also, even if no-one were to ever post in this thread again, where else would it belong if not in the subforum dedicated to Section 31? We don’t generally close old thread just because they are old.
Bottom line is, you resurrecting this thread was totally fine by me. Alternatively, you could have started a new thread, if you were to make it a more substantial post. Or just post in one of the other more general threads in this forum. Either of those are fine.
All of these points are excellent.
Don't eat eggs!
*As he buys eggs*
UPDATE: That's exactly what they did
But in fairness, the "Terra Firma" 2-parter had not aired when I posted that, which in my eyes at least, humanised her.
Agreed. I also just saw this quote running around the Interwebz and found it helpful.UPDATE: That's exactly what they did
But in fairness, the "Terra Firma" 2-parter had not aired when I posted that, which in my eyes at least, humanised her.
Because there’s actually no problem with posting in a thread this old, as long as the OP and many of the people originally involved in the thread are still around to respond (✓ check), the new post is at least somewhat substantial and not just some one-word post (✓ check) and generates some new discussion (✓ check). But also, even if no-one were to ever post in this thread again, where else would it belong if not in the subforum dedicated to Section 31? We don’t generally close old thread just because they are old.
Bottom line is, you resurrecting this thread was totally fine by me. Alternatively, you could have started a new thread, if you were to make it a more substantial post. Or just post in one of the other more general threads in this forum. Either of those are fine.
Errrrm... For me this falls clearly outside the forum rules:
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I don't want my five year old threads revived. It's not like this was a continuous discussion since then.
This topic was deader than DISCO.
The only reason why this popped up again is because stupidly any thread with "Section 31" got pulled over from the DIS forum into this new forum to pretend some engagement with this tv movie.
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