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So I finally watched the S31 movie...

Charles Phipps

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I just saw the movie for the first time...and it was a movie.

It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be but it is a film that I really am amazed to say it is aggressively not wanting to say anything about anything. Section 31 in the federation, politics as a whole, metaphors, and so on. I actually didn't dislike Into Darkness originally because I thought it was commentary on the Iraq War then I found out it was written by a 9/11 Truther and it reframed my take on it. In the end, I think S31 is just harmlessly...stupid.

Plus I love Rachel Garrett's hair.

But yes, the movie is just sort of stuff happening on screen and that is kind of fascinating that it is a Star Trek property that really goes out of its way to say nothing about anything. Plucky oddballs sent by government to stop Weapon of Mass Destruction and...they do. Its writers either played a huge amount of Mass Effect 2 after watching The Hunger Games or...no, actually I'm just going to say that was it.

If you think I'm making up the "aggressive apoliticalness" of the movie (if I may turn a phrase), I think its summarized by the YA fiction reshaping of Georgiou. Which is very unfair with YA fiction. Not so much Hunger Games as the Uglies The Terran Empire that was, at its worst, defined as a racist colonialist superpower that embodies the opposite of the Federation's power where people mindlessly jockeyed for power over who hates aliens the most or who has the biggest technological edge like a Space Rome now has teenagers compete to who can be the most ruthless. Literally, a contest for who can be the most evil because evil is good. Which is not how anything has ever worked power wise. But you don't have to deal with anyone saying its woke, though, or whatever, because it's not related to any real life ideology. It's not about Georgiou being the head of a racist colonialist superpower, it's about her personal relationship with her childhood bestie (that she murdered the family of).

Georgiou is Azula except that's not really fair to Azula.

Everyone else is kind of there to be Guardians of the Galaxy-style oddballs and they inhabit their quirky Omega/Knowhere-esque station. Rare is the movie that wouldn't be improved by a talking dog but this movie really needed a talking dog.

So much of this movie is also divorced from Star Trek while making little references here and there. Rachel Garrett is there, there's a Chiron, a human frozen from the 20th century like Buck Rogers, and so on and....I would probably love to know every single one of their stories more than the movie actually did. Did the Chiron guy flee before the end of everything?

Section 31 is also treated as defacto there. Which has never been its role. I think the only other time it was used that way was when William Boilmer was working for it with no attention being brought to its illegal conspiracy nature or whatever.

I mean it's a movie.

And Rachel's hair really was cool.
 
I’m tempted to say the whole thing was a big disappointment, but then again, my expectations were really low and I personally just never really liked the premise of doing a Trek outing focussing on Section 31 or Mirror Georgiou to begin with. My one hope was that it would be so bad and schlocky that it would be entertaining that way, but no, it’s just veeery boring, uninspired and by-the-numbers.

That said, I liked some of the characters (mainly Alok, Quasi, Garrett and the little we saw of Melle and Virgil) and would absolutely not mind seeing them again. Hopefully with a much better script, more capable directing and without the baggage of it being the “Michelle Yeoh show”. Make it “The Search for the Emperor” for all I care and have Yeoh cameo at the end. :lol:
 
It has been a while since I have seen it.

I agree. It was full of some pretty good action scenes, but that was it.
It said nothing about the Federation, Section 31 (I didn’t really expect to find out much about the organization anyway), and had no moral whatsoever.
If you took a Jackie Chan movie and removed the plot, this is what you would get.

Disappointing.
 
Yeah, I just felt the whole project was misguided in its approach. I mean, if you want to basically do Star Trek: Three Days of the Condor, which is what S31 ought to be, I’m there! But they put no political thought into it at all — at complete odds with with how S31 was previously handled, at least in TV.
 
Yeah, I just felt the whole project was misguided in its approach. I mean, if you want to basically do Star Trek: Three Days of the Condor, which is what S31 ought to be, I’m there! But they put no political thought into it at all — at complete odds with with how S31 was previously handled, at least in TV.

I feel like it's weird that I've seen like six variants of the Suicide Squad in recent years:

* Thunderbolts
* Suicide Squad
* Suicide Squad Isekai
* The Suicide Squad
* Creature Commandos
* Section 32
 
I feel like it's weird that I've seen like six variants of the Suicide Squad in recent years:

* Thunderbolts
* Suicide Squad
* Suicide Squad Isekai
* The Suicide Squad
* Creature Commandos
* Section 32
Probably all basically trying to cash in on Guardians of the Galaxy…
 
I love how this movie pretends that the Star Trek Mirror Universe is common knowledge.

My father, who was a Trekkie his whole life, who still vaguely remembers bearded evil Spock, but who didn't watch DIS or the other streaming shows, thought "oh, hey, a Star Trek movie".
You cannot imagine the look of confusion on his face from the first few minutes on.
We went on to do something else instead.
 
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