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Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

Pike is light side of the force Trek Vader.
:lol:

Kinda, yeah. Inexplicably incurable.

Kirk needs eyeglasses, because he's allergic to Retinax V. What would otherwise be anachronistic is hand-waved away by a helping of technobabble.

My head canon has chalked up Pike's wheelchair with its crude controls as a cruel by-product of the delta radiation, rendering his nervous system unable to interface with any other known prosthetic technology, however that would happen.
 
They changed a date. They've made bigger changes to TOS during TOS. :lol:

Right but there is alittle bit of a difference between something like perhaps a soft retcon or just a random inconsistency... and actually outright changing something AND confirming it with dialogue.

If at some point someone was like "The Eugenics Wars happened in 2032.", it would leave us with conflicting information that we can then... conjecture and ponder all day to try to reconcile. Prior to Tommorowx3, I had headcanoned that there were two different Augment-related wars that later historians referred to in a broad stroke as "The Eugenics Wars" (plural). Khan et. al. happened in the 90's, and was probably a conflict mostly in Asia, and then in the mid-2000's Eugenics Wars 2: Augment Boogaloo happened that rolled into WW3.

When it's "The Eugenics Wars were supposed to happen in 1992 but due to time travel now they happen later", that's a fundamentally different scenario that erases/invalidates the previous information.

Kinda, yeah. Inexplicably incurable.

Kirk needs eyeglasses, because he's allergic to Retinax V. What would otherwise be anachronistic is hand-waved away by a helping of technobabble.

My head canon has chalked up Pike's wheelchair with its crude controls as a cruel by-product of the delta radiation, rendering his nervous system unable to interface with any other known prosthetic technology, however that would happen.

I can kind of understand some of this.

In DSC, it seems getting cybernetic implants to correct some kind of issue/injury was fairy commonplace... to the extremes of Ariam, who was practically an android with a brain. In later time, this practice seems to have died down, or at the very least, the cybernetics became way better/less identifiable.

In the case of Pike, there may be an amount of personal preference there. They may have been able to give him the Ariam treatment.. but after seeing what an absolute horrorshow Ariam was, Pike may have passed. I also think that Pike suffered a good amount of brain damage that could have prevented some of more exotic tech from working properly without also replacing parts of his brain, which Pike would have seen as a no-go.

In the case of Kirk, there could absolutely be extreme measures... he COULD have had his eyes ripped out and replaced with cybernetic eyes. OR... he could just wear glasses. Given how generally anti-transhuman the Federation tends to be, the latter seems like the more reasonable option. They have medication that can fix eyesight, but if the patient is allergic, it might be better to go with an easier option over a nuclear option.
 
Eh, as long as the Eugenics Wars happen and Khan is put in the deep space deep freeze why does it matter when it happens? The date is mostly irrelevant to the actual plots of "Space Seed" and The Wrath of Khan. Same for any dates of any "past events" in Star Trek.
 
as long as the Eugenics Wars happen and Khan is put in the deep space deep freeze why does it matter when it happens?
Long term implications to the Trek timeline, such as the one outlined by this particularly insightful poster:
Absolutely. Whether or not the Khan is from 1996 or 2046 will create a ripple effect that will culminate in whether Queen Grudge the Cat will tolerate Admiral Vance the time Book leaves her behind with him or not.

Think of the implications.

;)
 
We actually DO have on screen confirmation that SNW does not take place in the "original" timeline. Everyone just seems to kind of ignore it, but they told us flat out in the episode. I find it odd that people tend to hang on every detail... until there's a detail that I guess some just don't like or whatever, and then just completely ignore that detail.

No, it's just the kind of timeline changes you are already familiar with.

Explained here, #1,273:
 
"It's a different timeline!"

"No, it's the same timeline, but different!"

Isnt this all a bit "Tomayto, Tomahto"?

Point is it is just normal Trek stuff, e. g. the Bell thing. Nobody would seriously come up with DS9 and the rest of Trek being set in different timelines or some other bs, and ofc those are minor changes which do not affect the big picture.

Sorry I had to burst the "Gotcha, not prime!" bubble.
 
That's just Temporal Mechanics 101.

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DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations" changed the TOS timeline right before our eyes.

In DS9 "Accession", the station crew witness the change of the timeline with the completion of The Call of the Prophets, and Kira can even remember that it had been incomplete ("The Prophets work in mysterious ways.").

In "Yesteryear", Spock must continue forward in a timeline in which I-Chaya died.
 
Point is it is just normal Trek stuff, e. g. the Bell thing. Nobody would seriously come up with DS9 and the rest of Trek being set in different timelines or some other bs, and ofc those are minor changes which do not affect the big picture.

Sorry I had to burst the "Gotcha, not prime!" bubble.
*Laughs in James R Kirk.*

*Sensibly chuckles in Saavik.*

*Data laughs in Trelane*
 
I believe I may have missed something? Can you point me in the direction of the source in TNG that says the Eugenics Wars did not happen in 1992 due to time travel?

I don't remember that bit.
Not due to time travel. It literally moved the whole conflict in to the 21st century instead of the 20th. TOS says Eugenics Wars is WW3 and the 1990s were the last era of it.

TNG says that it is a 21st century nuclear exchange resulting in the "post atomic horror."

Why it was moved was likely due to TNG being produced in the 80s and not the 60s.
 
Not due to time travel. It literally moved the whole conflict in to the 21st century instead of the 20th. TOS says Eugenics Wars is WW3 and the 1990s were the last era of it.

TNG says that it is a 21st century nuclear exchange resulting in the "post atomic horror."

Why it was moved was likely due to TNG being produced in the 80s and not the 60s.

Right but that was what I addressed. TNG did not explicitly invalidate anything like Tommorowx3 did. It gave some conflicting information. That's a completely different situation.

SNW explicitly noted that it just flat out did not happen. It was changed. The timeline where the Eugenics Wars happened in 1992... is not the timeline where SNW takes place.

Which then makes it impossible for TOS and SNW to occur in the same timeline...

You could make an argument that it means some of the conflicting information means TNG, DS9 and ENT are also in a different timeline, but the three of those went out of their way to confirm that they do.
 
You could make an argument that it means some of the conflicting information means TNG, DS9 and ENT are also in a different timeline, but the three of those went out of their way to confirm that they do.
Except they contradict, so to me, no they don't.
 
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